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Joe and Jane's families aint putting squat in a chica's pocket. And her family ain't down for that. So chicas are gonna be out on the streets trolling for gringo. That's the future...like it or not. Accept it or don't.  Your point of view is wrong.
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The future is a Red Light District. There will still be demand and there will still be supply, but it will be moved to the RLD.

What the RLD means with respect to chica pricing, chica talent, chica quantity, and chica performance remains to be seen.

Prostitution is too embedded in Sosua’s and DR’s culture to go completely away. But I agree with Fuentes, the old Sosua will largely be dead, and a yet to be determined new Sosua will take its place.

But there won’t be any shortage of chicas on that island looking to trade pussy for pesos one way or another.

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Great post. All of the Sosua issues can easily be solved with cooperation between police and business owners. When the politicians get involved, radical change just takes too long to happen. Let the police handle it.

Police to business owners: “Just enforce a reasonable dress code, and please allow the chicas to congregate in your indoor bar areas between 8:00 pm and 3:00 am. with a one drink minimum.”

Business owners: “No problem.”

Police to chicas: “No loitering and soliciting outdoors at anytime. Indoor activity only. If we see outdoor activity, we will arrest you.”

Chicas: “No problema.”

Problem solved. Any monger can talk to police and business owners on their own to suggest this arrangement, and it will take off on its own.

A compromise close to this is needed. I dont know why havent the police and chicas had an agreement
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I have said this before and it's back on the table.  Again, Samto Domingo runs the show and it will depend on the next President who could move forward with the plan.  Play Del Carmen is the comp they continue to look at.  Playa Del Carmen was a run down beach town in Mexico full of prostitution and drugs.  Now, its a hip town that has boutique shops, discos and new hotels.  Do not sit here and think it cannot happen in sosua as Playa Del Carmen was turned around.  People think sosua will only be a hoe town, but that is not true.  There are players including the tourism minister who want to push change.  With Cardi B a ghetto superstar sosua that many of you brag about hitting, still cannot believe flying all that way for that,, some players might push for change:

http://www.puertoplatadigital.com/verNoticia.aspx?Id=32824

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I have said this before and it's back on the table.  Again, Samto Domingo runs the show and it will depend on the next President who could move forward with the plan.  Play Del Carmen is the comp they continue to look at.  Playa Del Carmen was a run down beach town in Mexico full of prostitution and drugs.  Now, its a hip town that has boutique shops, discos and new hotels.  Do not sit here and think it cannot happen in sosua as Playa Del Carmen was turned around.  People think sosua will only be a hoe town, but that is not true.  There are players including the tourism minister who want to push change.  With Cardi B a ghetto superstar sosua that many of you brag about hitting, still cannot believe flying all that way for that,, some players might push for change:

http://www.puertoplatadigital.com/verNoticia.aspx?Id=32824

Gentrification is a process that takes place on a cyclical basis in various areas all around the world continuously. The process is controlled 90% by investors putting their cash on the table and 10% by government supporting the process. The cash investments generally start first and as the change becomes a reality government comes in towards the middle or end of the cycle and helps the final stages get over the hump. Gentrification almost NEVER can be planned by the government. I will repeat almost NEVER can be planned by the government. It's usually the investors lead by one or two big projects to get things kicked off and then the snowball builds from their. Some of the most well known projects on the east coast of the U.S. over the last 20 years include Times Sq in NY, Miami Beach and Downtown Boston just to name a few. Many more similar examples all over the world and within the U.S.

What drives investors to pump cash into gentrification projects is the prospect of seeing a decent return on their investment.

The main challenge that Sosua has of going through a successful gentrification cycle is it's size. It's not the Chicas, not the Police, Hell even not the Fact that it's in the Dr, the main problem is it's so dam small and the prospect of serious investors getting their money back with a  profit relative to the size of investment that would be needed is very very small to non existent. Now keep in mind I am talking about serious change that would drive tourism returns in the billions of dollars annually. In order for that transformation to happen they would probably need investments in the area and surrounding towns  to the tune of $5-$20B U.S. Not from one investor obviously but when you look at the types of projects that would be needed which would include major housing changes, road projects, utilities and water, hotel upgrades. airport upgrades those are the types of dollars that would need to be on the table.

The one and probably the only thing that Sosua has going for it that presents the chance of seeing a major investment seed wave that would support  the types of change that some people dream of is that it has that gorgeous beach. Aside from the beach the town does not have much going for it.

I doubt the tourism ministry will ever be able to find investors to seed the projects that would be needed to realize the types of change they are looking for and it would be foolish for the government to make that type of investment solo. In the meantime the area will continue to go through relatively small ups and downs but more than likely remain roughly the same over time.

Although the government has very little to do with successful gentrification projects they unfortunately sure do have the power to kill a city/town/state by turning it into a ghost thinking that once it's a ghost town the investors will come. The cycle almost never works like that. Let's hope for the sake of the locals that live their and depend on the economic activity for their existence that  this does not happen to Sosua.


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I have said this before and it's back on the table.  Again, Samto Domingo runs the show and it will depend on the next President who could move forward with the plan.  Play Del Carmen is the comp they continue to look at.  Playa Del Carmen was a run down beach town in Mexico full of prostitution and drugs.  Now, its a hip town that has boutique shops, discos and new hotels.  Do not sit here and think it cannot happen in sosua as Playa Del Carmen was turned around.  People think sosua will only be a hoe town, but that is not true.  There are players including the tourism minister who want to push change.  With Cardi B a ghetto superstar sosua that many of you brag about hitting, still cannot believe flying all that way for that,, some players might push for change:

http://www.puertoplatadigital.com/verNoticia.aspx?Id=32824

In order for that transformation to happen they would probably need investments in the area and surrounding towns  to the tune of $5-$20B U.S. Not from one investor obviously but when you look at the types of projects that would be needed which would include major housing changes, road projects, utilities and water, hotel upgrades. Airport upgrades those are the types of dollars that would need to be on the table.

This is another problem with sosua that you just mentioned. Even sosua beach isn't all that large. Then with the recession looming and covid fears are that many people are going to have in their minds. Are people going to be going on vacation the next 10-20 years. Many people don't even have their passports.
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Great post. All of the Sosua issues can easily be solved with cooperation between police and business owners. When the politicians get involved, radical change just takes too long to happen. Let the police handle it.

Police to business owners: “Just enforce a reasonable dress code, and please allow the chicas to congregate in your indoor bar areas between 8:00 pm and 3:00 am. with a one drink minimum.”

Business owners: “No problem.”

Police to chicas: “No loitering and soliciting outdoors at Dr. Indoor activity only. If we see outdoor activity, we will arrest you.”

Chicas: “No problema.”

Problem solved. Any monger can talk to police and business owners on their own to suggest this arrangement, and it will take off on its own.

This might be a problem. In all the other cities the girls can walk around freely(seen it in BC and SD in broad daylight) without restricted movement because prostitution is legal. It makes little sense to spread out over a large city so going to a tolerance zone makes sense, and the tolerance zone is near the tourist area go figure.

You force chicas to be restricted to businesses, you put businesses at increased scrutiny for a potential shutdown via pimping/trafficking charge, especially if your saying the girls have to pay to occupy a space. Not all he girls have the money or want to spend it on a drink. A girl who has just gotten to town and has few options due to low season may get jailed because where does she have to go? Can't hit new gardens or Sosua in for a quick scroll, have to head down by anhvee, which isn't too far but definitely frustration and time consumption will frustrate the girls.

Them staying in Sosua lights and other nearby dwellings, will no longer be a rock throw away from the action. Arresting the girls as they leave their hotels to walk(not everyone is going to come to down, spend money on a hotel, then pay for a moto to potentially see no costumers) to the RLD because the police can think she's working and jail her. Definitely not a good look, and if a non prostitute goes to jail over confusion (let it be a tourist) you'll have more of a headache that easily won't be swept away because they law change caused it.

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Great post. All of the Sosua issues can easily be solved with cooperation between police and business owners. When the politicians get involved, radical change just takes too long to happen. Let the police handle it.

Police to business owners: “Just enforce a reasonable dress code, and please allow the chicas to congregate in your indoor bar areas between 8:00 pm and 3:00 am. with a one drink minimum.”

Business owners: “No problem.”

Police to chicas: “No loitering and soliciting outdoors at Dr. Indoor activity only. If we see outdoor activity, we will arrest you.”

Chicas: “No problema.”

Problem solved. Any monger can talk to police and business owners on their own to suggest this arrangement, and it will take off on its own.

This might be a problem. In all the other cities the girls can walk around freely(seen it in BC and SD in broad daylight) without restricted movement because prostitution is legal. It makes little sense to spread out over a large city so going to a tolerance zone makes sense, and the tolerance zone is near the tourist area go figure.

You force chicas to be restricted to businesses, you put businesses at increased scrutiny for a potential shutdown via pimping/trafficking charge, especially if your saying the girls have to pay to occupy a space. Not all he girls have the money or want to spend it on a drink. A girl who has just gotten to town and has few options due to low season may get jailed because where does she have to go? Can't hit new gardens or Sosua in for a quick scroll, have to head down by anhvee, which isn't too far but definitely frustration and time consumption will frustrate the girls.

Them staying in Sosua lights and other nearby dwellings, will no longer be a rock throw away from the action. Arresting the girls as they leave their hotels to walk(not everyone is going to come to down, spend money on a hotel, then pay for a moto to potentially see no costumers) to the RLD because the police can think she's working and jail her. Definitely not a good look, and if a non prostitute goes to jail over confusion (let it be a tourist) you'll have more of a headache that easily won't be swept away because they law change caused it.

Yeah they should only enforce that before 8pm. If a woman isnt wearing a full body suit or has her nipples or ass cheeks out they should be able to walk around. Thats why there should be an open park or common loitering area near the anhvee area.
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Great post. All of the Sosua issues can easily be solved with cooperation between police and business owners. When the politicians get involved, radical change just takes too long to happen. Let the police handle it.

Police to business owners: “Just enforce a reasonable dress code, and please allow the chicas to congregate in your indoor bar areas between 8:00 pm and 3:00 am. with a one drink minimum.”

Business owners: “No problem.”

Police to chicas: “No loitering and soliciting outdoors at Dr. Indoor activity only. If we see outdoor activity, we will arrest you.”

Chicas: “No problema.”

Problem solved. Any monger can talk to police and business owners on their own to suggest this arrangement, and it will take off on its own.

This might be a problem. In all the other cities the girls can walk around freely(seen it in BC and SD in broad daylight) without restricted movement because prostitution is legal. It makes little sense to spread out over a large city so going to a tolerance zone makes sense, and the tolerance zone is near the tourist area go figure.

You force chicas to be restricted to businesses, you put businesses at increased scrutiny for a potential shutdown via pimping/trafficking charge, especially if your saying the girls have to pay to occupy a space. Not all he girls have the money or want to spend it on a drink. A girl who has just gotten to town and has few options due to low season may get jailed because where does she have to go? Can't hit new gardens or Sosua in for a quick scroll, have to head down by anhvee, which isn't too far but definitely frustration and time consumption will frustrate the girls.

Them staying in Sosua lights and other nearby dwellings, will no longer be a rock throw away from the action. Arresting the girls as they leave their hotels to walk(not everyone is going to come to down, spend money on a hotel, then pay for a moto to potentially see no costumers) to the RLD because the police can think she's working and jail her. Definitely not a good look, and if a non prostitute goes to jail over confusion (let it be a tourist) you'll have more of a headache that easily won't be swept away because they law change caused it.

Travelguy,

Naa. You misunderstood. Of course chicas should be able to move from place to place freely, but if they’re loitering (hanging around outside for a prolonged period), or obviously soliciting (advertising themselves or trying to stop passing gringos on the street), then the police should step in.

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I have said this before and it's back on the table.  Again, Samto Domingo runs the show and it will depend on the next President who could move forward with the plan.  Play Del Carmen is the comp they continue to look at.  Playa Del Carmen was a run down beach town in Mexico full of prostitution and drugs.  Now, its a hip town that has boutique shops, discos and new hotels.  Do not sit here and think it cannot happen in sosua as Playa Del Carmen was turned around.  People think sosua will only be a hoe town, but that is not true.  There are players including the tourism minister who want to push change.  With Cardi B a ghetto superstar sosua that many of you brag about hitting, still cannot believe flying all that way for that,, some players might push for change:

http://www.puertoplatadigital.com/verNoticia.aspx?Id=32824

Gentrification is a process that takes place on a cyclical basis in various areas all around the world continuously. The process is controlled 90% by investors putting their cash on the table and 10% by government supporting the process. The cash investments generally start first and as the change becomes a reality government comes in towards the middle or end of the cycle and helps the final stages get over the hump. Gentrification almost NEVER can be planned by the government. I will repeat almost NEVER can be planned by the government. It's usually the investors lead by one or two big projects to get things kicked off and then the snowball builds from their. Some of the most well known projects on the east coast of the U.S. over the last 20 years include Times Sq in NY, Miami Beach and Downtown Boston just to name a few. Many more similar examples all over the world and within the U.S.

What drives investors to pump cash into gentrification projects is the prospect of seeing a decent return on their investment.

The main challenge that Sosua has of going through a successful gentrification cycle is it's size. It's not the Chicas, not the Police, Hell even not the Fact that it's in the Dr, the main problem is it's so dam small and the prospect of serious investors getting their money back with a  profit relative to the size of investment that would be needed is very very small to non existent. Now keep in mind I am talking about serious change that would drive tourism returns in the billions of dollars annually. In order for that transformation to happen they would probably need investments in the area and surrounding towns  to the tune of $5-$20B U.S. Not from one investor obviously but when you look at the types of projects that would be needed which would include major housing changes, road projects, utilities and water, hotel upgrades. airport upgrades those are the types of dollars that would need to be on the table.

The one and probably the only thing that Sosua has going for it that presents the chance of seeing a major investment seed wave that would support  the types of change that some people dream of is that it has that gorgeous beach. Aside from the beach the town does not have much going for it.

I doubt the tourism ministry will ever be able to find investors to seed the projects that would be needed to realize the types of change they are looking for and it would be foolish for the government to make that type of investment solo. In the meantime the area will continue to go through relatively small ups and downs but more than likely remain roughly the same over time.

Although the government has very little to do with successful gentrification projects they unfortunately sure do have the power to kill a city/town/state by turning it into a ghost thinking that once it's a ghost town the investors will come. The cycle almost never works like that. Let's hope for the sake of the locals that live their and depend on the economic activity for their existence that  this does not happen to Sosua.

Forget what you see right now, forget everything about Sosua as you know it. This is what Sosua has going for it. It has a International airport that is serviced by the Major Us airlines, and within a 20 mile radius of that airport there is 40 miles of coastline/beachfront property. Add to that the fact that Punta Cana is the biggest tourist destination in the carribean so the concept has already been proven. Its not a matter of if Billion Dollar investors will come, its a matter of what others will be joining the party. Marriott is already there. Them, and their team,  along with local government and local businesses are driving the changes. They are on the same page for the most part.

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Great post. All of the Sosua issues can easily be solved with cooperation between police and business owners. When the politicians get involved, radical change just takes too long to happen. Let the police handle it.

Police to business owners: “Just enforce a reasonable dress code, and please allow the chicas to congregate in your indoor bar areas between 8:00 pm and 3:00 am. with a one drink minimum.”

Business owners: “No problem.”

Police to chicas: “No loitering and soliciting outdoors at Dr. Indoor activity only. If we see outdoor activity, we will arrest you.”

Chicas: “No problema.”

Problem solved. Any monger can talk to police and business owners on their own to suggest this arrangement, and it will take off on its own.

This might be a problem. In all the other cities the girls can walk around freely(seen it in BC and SD in broad daylight) without restricted movement because prostitution is legal. It makes little sense to spread out over a large city so going to a tolerance zone makes sense, and the tolerance zone is near the tourist area go figure.

You force chicas to be restricted to businesses, you put businesses at increased scrutiny for a potential shutdown via pimping/trafficking charge, especially if your saying the girls have to pay to occupy a space. Not all he girls have the money or want to spend it on a drink. A girl who has just gotten to town and has few options due to low season may get jailed because where does she have to go? Can't hit new gardens or Sosua in for a quick scroll, have to head down by anhvee, which isn't too far but definitely frustration and time consumption will frustrate the girls.

Them staying in Sosua lights and other nearby dwellings, will no longer be a rock throw away from the action. Arresting the girls as they leave their hotels to walk(not everyone is going to come to down, spend money on a hotel, then pay for a moto to potentially see no costumers) to the RLD because the police can think she's working and jail her. Definitely not a good look, and if a non prostitute goes to jail over confusion (let it be a tourist) you'll have more of a headache that easily won't be swept away because they law change caused it.

When things finally open back up there will be major changes that will address most of the issues you just brought up.

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I have said this before and it's back on the table.  Again, Samto Domingo runs the show and it will depend on the next President who could move forward with the plan.  Play Del Carmen is the comp they continue to look at.  Playa Del Carmen was a run down beach town in Mexico full of prostitution and drugs.  Now, its a hip town that has boutique shops, discos and new hotels.  Do not sit here and think it cannot happen in sosua as Playa Del Carmen was turned around.  People think sosua will only be a hoe town, but that is not true.  There are players including the tourism minister who want to push change.  With Cardi B a ghetto superstar sosua that many of you brag about hitting, still cannot believe flying all that way for that,, some players might push for change:

http://www.puertoplatadigital.com/verNoticia.aspx?Id=32824
For Sosua to change it needs to improve , roads utilties  develope eye sore empty buildings,,   chicas are going to be there just  just not wide open in your face if its redeveloped !

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Great post. All of the Sosua issues can easily be solved with cooperation between police and business owners. When the politicians get involved, radical change just takes too long to happen. Let the police handle it.

Police to business owners: “Just enforce a reasonable dress code, and please allow the chicas to congregate in your indoor bar areas between 8:00 pm and 3:00 am. with a one drink minimum.”

Business owners: “No problem.”

Police to chicas: “No loitering and soliciting outdoors at Dr. Indoor activity only. If we see outdoor activity, we will arrest you.”

Chicas: “No problema.”

Problem solved. Any monger can talk to police and business owners on their own to suggest this arrangement, and it will take off on its own.

This might be a problem. In all the other cities the girls can walk around freely(seen it in BC and SD in broad daylight) without restricted movement because prostitution is legal. It makes little sense to spread out over a large city so going to a tolerance zone makes sense, and the tolerance zone is near the tourist area go figure.

You force chicas to be restricted to businesses, you put businesses at increased scrutiny for a potential shutdown via pimping/trafficking charge, especially if your saying the girls have to pay to occupy a space. Not all he girls have the money or want to spend it on a drink. A girl who has just gotten to town and has few options due to low season may get jailed because where does she have to go? Can't hit new gardens or Sosua in for a quick scroll, have to head down by anhvee, which isn't too far but definitely frustration and time consumption will frustrate the girls.

Them staying in Sosua lights and other nearby dwellings, will no longer be a rock throw away from the action. Arresting the girls as they leave their hotels to walk(not everyone is going to come to down, spend money on a hotel, then pay for a moto to potentially see no costumers) to the RLD because the police can think she's working and jail her. Definitely not a good look, and if a non prostitute goes to jail over confusion (let it be a tourist) you'll have more of a headache that easily won't be swept away because they law change caused it.

Yeah they should only enforce that before 8pm. If a woman isnt wearing a full body suit or has her nipples or ass cheeks out they should be able to walk around. Thats why there should be an open park or common loitering area near the anhvee area.

I should have bolded it. But I'm saying creating a new law/rule around what is legal will lead to abuse or confusion. What's to stop a haitian or Venezuelan girl from not getting screwed over from law enforcement if they choose to abuse their power, or implement an unofficial fine? This can be an area for power abuse and corruption easily. They already can arrest the girls, and extort them, this is just another way to continue the process, so the "stop arresting girls" suggestion may not work but backfire potentially.

I understand that park area to bridge the red light district to the rest of town. But unless Sosua is going to have more dirt cheap apartments for the out of town girls, they will stick to current locations. And some will catch motos n others will walk. I can't visualize a girl ignoring people and not talking until she gets to the area. Because

Barely clothe chica walking from the beach to the RLD because she rather walk 10-15 mins then pay 100 peso tax likely until everything is sorted out.
"Hey, hey, I have 3.. no 4000 peso"
"Papi you have to wait until I get past Plan B"
She either will take the money and go, or respond and potentially go to jail because to an observer she looks like she's soliciting.

I guess I'll see the whole new set up next year though. Can't get there now and won't go in the winter because I can't see the appeal for December.

 


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