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Re: Why Do Mongers Love To Avoid STD Talk?
« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2018, 11:23:31 AM »
Pathology isnt the whole picture.  Here's another science......Probability.  The chances of you getting HIV from an infected chica when she's in the stage where you cant even detect antibody are next to NOTHING.  Thats the problem with STI education....it becomes fear mongering to the point that it has the opposite effect.  Someone could read your post and say" shit, if I can get HIV from a chica that tests negative then whats the point of getting tested in the first place?"

Also HSV-1 is always HSV-1 whether its on your dick or mouth.  You dont want it either way, but I have to make the distinction.

Wear condoms, dont get to drunk, and get yourself tested for 1200 pesos before you leave Sosua, but if disease scares you to this level you might as well stay home and jack to Pornhub.

Pathology? Probability? You are INCORRECT on false-negative transmission of HIV. People get caught out there on this all the time. What do you think was happening with the HIV infections in the California porn industry? They get tested “regularly,” but there were still several different outbreaks of infection where the industry had to shut down. Go look it up.

HSV-1 on your dick is classified as HSV-2. The symptomatic clusters of painful, fluid filled lesions that appear, burst, and crust over, is relatively the same. If you’re unfortunate enough to have outbreaks within your urethral tract, it’s even worse. No one in their right mind should want that shit.

I find it sadly amusing how you wanna try and rationalize “probability” on some Las Vegas casino crap shoot shit. SMFH. If what I’m saying was low probability like you claim, HIV/AIDS wouldn’t be as rampant in the DR as it is. Stop talking nonsense.

Ok. I dont even know where to start on this one.  Your argument is rife with misinformation.  HSV-1 is HSV-1 where ever it is in your body.  It never becomes HSV-2. The two strains are almost identical genetically, but they have different characteristics.  Sort of like human beings....even though they're genetically the same, dropping off a white man in Africa does not make him black!!  My source for this info isnt Google! 

Of course i'm gonna rationalize probability.  Here's another science you can check out....Epidemiology. Now go tell someone working at the CDC that probability isnt important in public health discussions.  Take a picture of how funny they look at you.

You talk of HIV being rampant in DR.  More fear mongering and half-truths.  Donald Trump style.  Tell the whole story.  Why is it that 3/4 of the people living with HIV on the island are men?  Because the real story is HIV is being transmitted by down low men ass fucking each other.  The DR is a catholic country with a masculine culture.  Their is no public health outreach to the gay community there.  Yes there are putas with HIV, just not in the numbers you allude to.

Onto your misinformed post about the porn industry....If false negatives caused a few actors to get sick before the shutdown, what has happened since then?  There is more porn being made now than back then and i'm assuming the HIV testing protocols are still the same.  So how is it that all of a sudden false negatives are no longer a factor in HIV transmission?  Dude it never was.

Ya, i'm the one talking nonsense.

Again folks. Disease is real.  Wear condoms, dont get drunk to the point where you're doing stupid shit, and you'll be fine.

Again. You’re talking nonsense. Point by point:

Herpes (HSV-1 & HSV-2):
FACT: 40% of genital herpes (HSV-2) is caused by HSV-1.

Slight genetic variances aside, the herpes symptoms presentations are IDENTICAL. To put it plainly, HSV-1 is typically above the waist. HSV-2 is typically below the waist. If you’re a BBBJ lover in the DR, if you don’t already have HSV-2 that hasn’t already presented itself, I’m prettt sure that you’ll have it soon if you continue.

STD’s & Probability:
For clinical studies, of course probability has to be discussed, but what YOU’RE trying to do here, is JUSTIFY known high risk behavior. That’s a problem. When you go to a doctor and you want to donate blood for example, the questionnaire asks you about very specific behaviors that they deem high risk:

a. Do you shoot up drugs, or share needles?
b. (If you’re a man) Do you have sex with men?
c. Do you have sex with sex workers?

Mongers fall into category C. Those are the facts.

HIV/AIDS & Gays in the DR:
You said 3/4 of people in DR with HIV/AIDS are men, due to homosexual transmission? LOL. Are you retarded? You can’t be this ignorant. No way. In 2018? SMFH.

FACT - from the National Center for Biotechnology Information of the United States National Library of Medicine: “As in other Caribbean and Latin American countries, reported HIV transmission in the Dominican Republic is predominantly due to unprotected heterosexual sex and the infection rate has been increasing disproportionally among women.”

Like I said, you’re living in fantasy land. You don’t know a damn thing. Stop misleading people on this forum.

False-Negative HIV Tests & Porn Industry:
You don’t know what you’re talking about. Here’s an important takeaway (and excerpt) from an article people need to read at www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2424664/Porn-industry-HIV-outbreak-HIV-positive-porn-stars-say-testing-14-days-NOT-enough.html.

“Speaking via telephone, Doe said that he tested negative for HIV two weeks before a shoot, but then tested positive for acute HIV two weeks later.”

The above underscores my original point that it doesn’t matter what test your favorite Chica showed you. Chica’s aren’t taking time off from sex work to wait long enough for their results to be safely reliable.

Conclusion:
You’re poorly informed, and the ridiculous information you’re spouting is dangerous. Knock it off.






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Re: Why Do Mongers Love To Avoid STD Talk?
« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2018, 11:25:20 AM »
 Straight up y’all are some disgusting low life nasty motherfuckers. End of story. dirtbags running around here  fucking real dirty whores that are prostituting raw with the fucking cooties
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Re: Why Do Mongers Love To Avoid STD Talk?
« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2018, 11:29:24 AM »
Everything involves risk. I chose to engage in this activity, I do what I can to reduce those risks. At some point the action to reduce the risk is not worth the benefit i get so I either choose not to engage in that activity or take on the increased risk... So I wear condoms for vaginal or anal sex, I don't for blow jobs. The odds are orders of magnitude less (according to the CDC) of getting an STI from oral sex than from vaginal/anal sex. I would never use a dental dam so that activity is out from less-than-regular partners.

Both the wife and I checked out fine at our last testing so... I'm good with not talking about it more.

You’re a grown man, and I respect the fact that you’re entitled to make your own decisions, but messing around in the DR on some BBBJ shit, isn’t fair to your wife. It’s none of my business, but why should your wife get stuck with a life sentence of HSV-2, for example, because of your reckless actions? Come on, bro.

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Re: Why Do Mongers Love To Avoid STD Talk?
« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2018, 11:33:24 AM »
Fact:  Because of the population, it's much easier to get HIV in the US then DR or any STD for that matter.  Most cases in the US, its a well non partner not "hoe."

Stop talking bullshit.

National Center for Biotechnology Information of the United States National Library of Medicine:

“The HIV epidemic in the Caribbean region reflects the highest HIV seroprevalence rate (1.2%) in the Western Hemisphere. Approximately 250 000 persons are living with HIV/AIDS in the Caribbean. This figure includes 27 000 persons who became infected in 2006.1,2 The majority of HIV/AIDS cases in the Caribbean are reported in Hispaniola, the island shared by the Dominican Republic (DR) and Haiti.”

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Re: Why Do Mongers Love To Avoid STD Talk?
« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2018, 11:39:11 AM »
Why do we need to talk about STDs? Everyone here knows they should make their own individual choices about wearing condoms and getting themselves and their prostitutes tested for STDs.

What else is there to talk about?

Everyone here engaged in the art of buying pussy knows damn well that sex outside of a comitted relationship can lead to an STD -- in the Dominican Republic, the United States of America, and everywhere else.

So I don't get it with the fear mongering. I don't think there are any high school kids here getting ready for the prom.

In the DR some guys go bareback, others bring dozens of condoms and sheets of dental dam. Others get themselves and their chicas tested on the ground in the DR before any sex.

These are all individual choices.

One more thing: The No. 1 way to guarantee not contracting a STD in the DR is just to stay home. That'll do it.

If you’ve been reading the completely inaccurate and ignorant posts by some members of this forum in this thread, you’ll see why we have to have this conversation.

We got fools spreading misinformation and inspiring false confidence in people to engage in silly shit. People can make better decisions when they’re properly informed, hence the reason for this thread. Telling the bold truth isn’t “fearmongering.” I have an issue with that term.

Informing people with the real isn’t fearmongering. It’s fact mongering, and everyone should welcome it.

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Re: Why Do Mongers Love To Avoid STD Talk?
« Reply #20 on: July 11, 2018, 11:42:11 AM »
Pathology isnt the whole picture.  Here's another science......Probability.  The chances of you getting HIV from an infected chica when she's in the stage where you cant even detect antibody are next to NOTHING.  Thats the problem with STI education....it becomes fear mongering to the point that it has the opposite effect.  Someone could read your post and say" shit, if I can get HIV from a chica that tests negative then whats the point of getting tested in the first place?"

Also HSV-1 is always HSV-1 whether its on your dick or mouth.  You dont want it either way, but I have to make the distinction.

Wear condoms, dont get to drunk, and get yourself tested for 1200 pesos before you leave Sosua, but if disease scares you to this level you might as well stay home and jack to Pornhub.

Pathology? Probability? You are INCORRECT on false-negative transmission of HIV. People get caught out there on this all the time. What do you think was happening with the HIV infections in the California porn industry? They get tested “regularly,” but there were still several different outbreaks of infection where the industry had to shut down. Go look it up.

HSV-1 on your dick is classified as HSV-2. The symptomatic clusters of painful, fluid filled lesions that appear, burst, and crust over, is relatively the same. If you’re unfortunate enough to have outbreaks within your urethral tract, it’s even worse. No one in their right mind should want that shit.

I find it sadly amusing how you wanna try and rationalize “probability” on some Las Vegas casino crap shoot shit. SMFH. If what I’m saying was low probability like you claim, HIV/AIDS wouldn’t be as rampant in the DR as it is. Stop talking nonsense.

Ok. I dont even know where to start on this one.  Your argument is rife with misinformation.  HSV-1 is HSV-1 where ever it is in your body.  It never becomes HSV-2. The two strains are almost identical genetically, but they have different characteristics.  Sort of like human beings....even though they're genetically the same, dropping off a white man in Africa does not make him black!!  My source for this info isnt Google! 

Of course i'm gonna rationalize probability.  Here's another science you can check out....Epidemiology. Now go tell someone working at the CDC that probability isnt important in public health discussions.  Take a picture of how funny they look at you.

You talk of HIV being rampant in DR.  More fear mongering and half-truths.  Donald Trump style.  Tell the whole story.  Why is it that 3/4 of the people living with HIV on the island are men?  Because the real story is HIV is being transmitted by down low men ass fucking each other.  The DR is a catholic country with a masculine culture.  Their is no public health outreach to the gay community there.  Yes there are putas with HIV, just not in the numbers you allude to.

Onto your misinformed post about the porn industry....If false negatives caused a few actors to get sick before the shutdown, what has happened since then?  There is more porn being made now than back then and i'm assuming the HIV testing protocols are still the same.  So how is it that all of a sudden false negatives are no longer a factor in HIV transmission?  Dude it never was.

Ya, i'm the one talking nonsense.

Again folks. Disease is real.  Wear condoms, dont get drunk to the point where you're doing stupid shit, and you'll be fine.

We tell them this over and over again but they don't get it. When they were saying in the 80s it was a gay disease, it wasn't the full story, its not completely true but it wasn't that far off. But its an anal sex and needles/drug abuse disease. Or you were born with it

Like i say to people its not a coincidence that Magic Johnson and Charlie Sheen are some of the few notable MEN who have gotten it. Like you said women end up getting it from dealing with down lo men 

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Re: Why Do Mongers Love To Avoid STD Talk?
« Reply #21 on: July 11, 2018, 11:54:06 AM »
Fact:  Because of the population, it's much easier to get HIV in the US then DR or any STD for that matter.  Most cases in the US, its a well non partner not "hoe."

Stop talking bullshit.

National Center for Biotechnology Information of the United States National Library of Medicine:

“The HIV epidemic in the Caribbean region reflects the highest HIV seroprevalence rate (1.2%) in the Western Hemisphere. Approximately 250 000 persons are living with HIV/AIDS in the Caribbean. This figure includes 27 000 persons who became infected in 2006.1,2 The majority of HIV/AIDS cases in the Caribbean are reported in Hispaniola, the island shared by the Dominican Republic (DR) and Haiti.”

You copying and pasting something that says its 250,000 people with the disease in the Caribbean only proves his point that you are overhyping "Trump style".

Do you know how many countries are in the Caribbean? I think its about 26

Lets try this again since you seem to be slow.

HIV is mainly transferred from anal sex. Whether you are a homosexual men or hetereosexual man. This is why i don't mess with that at all. Well thats not the only reason it never appealed to me anyway. But doctors themselves have said out their own mouth its rare to get HIV vaginally and women are likelier to be on the receiving end of it from dealing with DOWN LO men.

This is why traditionally in the PAST nations like the Phillipines that not only have rampant prostitution but everyone fucking raw...this is why in the past there was not a huge history of HIV. People primarily werent into the anal sex shit. that is a western world/european mentality...

Now in the past several years in the Phillipines the rates have skyrocketed because the extreme weirdos from places like Thailand who have extreme fetishes started doing what they did there and made the rates get so high. Because mainly down lo men who were fucking with Thailand ladyboys or even Filipino ladyboys went over to the Phillipines and increased a once low HIV rate .

And now in the DR, most of the HIV infections are from the DL men fucking men in their ass while pretending to be macho and then smashing their girlfriend raw.


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Re: Why Do Mongers Love To Avoid STD Talk?
« Reply #22 on: July 11, 2018, 11:57:22 AM »
If you’ve been reading the completely inaccurate and ignorant posts by some members of this forum in this thread, you’ll see why we have to have this conversation.

We got fools spreading misinformation and inspiring false confidence in people to engage in silly shit. People can make better decisions when they’re properly informed, hence the reason for this thread. Telling the bold truth isn’t “fearmongering.” I have an issue with that term.

It is fearmongering. The majority of guys here are in their 30s to 60s. Virtually everybody is post-college in age. You are not telling them a damn thing they didn't already hear in high school and college. If they choose to go bareback in the DR or anywhere else, then that's their business. Do you really think you are going to change how they have sex?

I can only control my behavior, and I respectfully submit that that's all you can do as well.
« Last Edit: July 11, 2018, 12:00:28 PM by FuenteFuente »
Women need a reason to have sex. Men just need a place. Sosua will do just fine.

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Re: Why Do Mongers Love To Avoid STD Talk?
« Reply #23 on: July 11, 2018, 12:07:21 PM »
You’re a grown man, and I respect the fact that you’re entitled to make your own decisions, but messing around in the DR on some BBBJ shit, isn’t fair to your wife. It’s none of my business, but why should your wife get stuck with a life sentence of HSV-2, for example, because of your reckless actions? Come on, bro.

Not sure you can judge what another man is doing with his wife. Come on, bro! I am happily married but actually have very little sex with my wife. She's older and her sex drive has declined to almost nothing. It happens to many women and some men. At this point she would be perfectly happy with a few times a year or even none, frankly.

It's easy for me to take some time and get tested when I return from the DR, which I do. And that's after taking all the necessary precautions while I am abroad. Through it all, I've never had a positive result for anything.

Yes, there is a difference between offering good information and engaging in fear mongering.  Your posts are coming across as preachy, not informative -- and that's coming from me, a guy who beleives in practicing safe sex.
« Last Edit: July 11, 2018, 12:21:05 PM by FuenteFuente »
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Re: Why Do Mongers Love To Avoid STD Talk?
« Reply #24 on: July 11, 2018, 12:08:07 PM »
If this is a concern for others then say so. Besides that this is a stupid post. We are all grown ass men. So what is the conversation suppose to be about like we are high school kids. I wear a condom or I do not wear a condom that is not your business nor do you control what I do nor can you control it. The real message is as a grown ass man be responsible for yourself. Erase this post, we where not born yesterday and hopefully we all have safe fun.

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Re: Why Do Mongers Love To Avoid STD Talk?
« Reply #25 on: July 11, 2018, 12:25:28 PM »
Fact:  Because of the population, it's much easier to get HIV in the US then DR or any STD for that matter.  Most cases in the US, its a well non partner not "hoe."

Stop talking bullshit.

National Center for Biotechnology Information of the United States National Library of Medicine:

“The HIV epidemic in the Caribbean region reflects the highest HIV seroprevalence rate (1.2%) in the Western Hemisphere. Approximately 250 000 persons are living with HIV/AIDS in the Caribbean. This figure includes 27 000 persons who became infected in 2006.1,2 The majority of HIV/AIDS cases in the Caribbean are reported in Hispaniola, the island shared by the Dominican Republic (DR) and Haiti.”

You copying and pasting something that says its 250,000 people with the disease in the Caribbean only proves his point that you are overhyping "Trump style".

Do you know how many countries are in the Caribbean? I think its about 26

Lets try this again since you seem to be slow.

HIV is mainly transferred from anal sex. Whether you are a homosexual men or hetereosexual man. This is why i don't mess with that at all. Well thats not the only reason it never appealed to me anyway. But doctors themselves have said out their own mouth its rare to get HIV vaginally and women are likelier to be on the receiving end of it from dealing with DOWN LO men.

This is why traditionally in the PAST nations like the Phillipines that not only have rampant prostitution but everyone fucking raw...this is why in the past there was not a huge history of HIV. People primarily werent into the anal sex shit. that is a western world/european mentality...

Now in the past several years in the Phillipines the rates have skyrocketed because the extreme weirdos from places like Thailand who have extreme fetishes started doing what they did there and made the rates get so high. Because mainly down lo men who were fucking with Thailand ladyboys or even Filipino ladyboys went over to the Phillipines and increased a once low HIV rate .

And now in the DR, most of the HIV infections are from the DL men fucking men in their ass while pretending to be macho and then smashing their girlfriend raw.

250,000 people in the Caribbean. I hate to tell you this but, that’s a scientific report from 2011, now use your imagination and figure where those numbers are today in 2018. (It’s really high, and this is just from the cases they KNOW about. It doesn’t even take into account the ones they DON’T know about).

I’m not refuting the fact that gay sex (anal) is a more prevalent mode for HIV/AIDS transmission. The point is, is that a lot of women in the DR have it, so if a monger wants to roll the dice on unprotected sex, they have to understand that there is still a risk, even with heterosexual sex, and it’s a dangerous one.

FACT: Men have contracted HIV/AIDS from heterosexual sex with women. The point you’re trying to make is that it’s so low risk that mongers shouldn’t be concerned. You’re a liar, a fool, and that’s false. Stop your nonsense.
« Last Edit: July 11, 2018, 12:39:49 PM by OptimusCrime »

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Re: Why Do Mongers Love To Avoid STD Talk?
« Reply #26 on: July 11, 2018, 12:30:34 PM »
If this is a concern for others then say so. Besides that this is a stupid post. We are all grown ass men. So what is the conversation suppose to be about like we are high school kids. I wear a condom or I do not wear a condom that is not your business nor do you control what I do nor can you control it. The real message is as a grown ass man be responsible for yourself. Erase this post, we where not born yesterday and hopefully we all have safe fun.

I disagree. Within the monger community, what you do is everybody’s business, because you’re a link in a long chain that can potentially damage everyone else. Wrap your shit up. Have some consideration for others. This is my position.

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Re: Why Do Mongers Love To Avoid STD Talk?
« Reply #27 on: July 11, 2018, 12:38:04 PM »
You’re a grown man, and I respect the fact that you’re entitled to make your own decisions, but messing around in the DR on some BBBJ shit, isn’t fair to your wife. It’s none of my business, but why should your wife get stuck with a life sentence of HSV-2, for example, because of your reckless actions? Come on, bro.

Not sure you can judge what another man is doing with his wife. Come on, bro! I am happily married but actually have very little sex with my wife. She's older and her sex drive has declined to almost nothing. It happens to many women and some men. At this point she would be perfectly happy with a few times a year or even none, frankly.

It's easy for me to take some time and get tested when I return from the DR, which I do. And that's after taking all the necessary precautions while I am abroad. Through it all, I've never had a positive result for anything.

Yes, there is a difference between offering good information and engaging in fear mongering.  Your posts are coming across as preachy, not informative -- and that's coming from me, a guy who beleives in practicing safe sex.

I’m glad that you’re playing it safe. When you play it safe, you actually make things safer for the rest of the mongering community. If everyone handles their business the right way, there’s a little less to worry about.

I’m coming off a little preachy, because I don’t like how this topic is constantly brushed under the rug. It’s a very serious, and very real thing.

I also wanna add that I see this BBBJ addiction within the community as a problem. The shit gotta stop. People are playing STD ping-pong along the monger chain.
« Last Edit: July 11, 2018, 12:41:30 PM by OptimusCrime »

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Re: Why Do Mongers Love To Avoid STD Talk?
« Reply #28 on: July 11, 2018, 12:39:50 PM »
Committed relationship or not. If your REALLY scared or conscientious of not catching something keep it in your fucking pants. U never TRULY know what  a person doing. The same committed men flying out could be coming home catching from the main then bringing it back to dr. So if you gonna be a dirtbag and engage in all that wild fucking around protect urself and everyone u involve in it. Orrr keep it in your fucking pants. No need for a college course on this shit.
« Last Edit: July 11, 2018, 12:45:52 PM by WorstBehavior »

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« Reply #29 on: July 11, 2018, 12:42:39 PM »
@ OptimusCrime  You might have good intentions with your posts but you clearly dont know the entire REAL story about HIV and how it moves through a population.  The problem with Google is that people dont use it for the real info, they use it to find the info that supports their beliefs.  Bro do you know how health organizations determine how people contracted HIV?  They ask them in a questionnaire.  Ricardo isnt going to say he got it butt fucking Leonardo.  Not in the DR.

And again HSV-1, NEVER becomes HSV-2.  You are wrong.  Not a fact.  Not the truth.

How bout everybody just believes what they want, and we all just continue to enjoy this nasty disease ridden town however we each see fit.  I cant see us coming to any other consensus on this overdone topic. 

 


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