Trip to Nairobi Kenya coming up in April

[Sosuaplaya]

Hey brothers, I am taking a 2 week trip to Kenya and was wondering if I could get some advice.

I'm staying at an AirBnB in Westlands called Elite Residences - is the typical AirBnB etiquette for bringing women to your room the same as Thailand?  Meaning that you have to have her leave her ID with security and she can come up?  If she causes trouble, like I've read some Kenyan girls try on newbies, would security have your back?

How is food safety in Nairobi?  Like I said, I only have 2 weeks vacation in Kenya and I can't really afford to get sick.  I won't be trying any street food or any lower quality establishments, but do you have any restaurants in particular that you'd vouch for being clean and offering safe food?

About women: What rates are we talking about in Nairobi?  I have been talking to some on apps like Tagged, Badoo, Tinder, etc and I've been throwing out 5K and I'd say 75% are OK with that.  Some ask if that's the night price and I really was just anticipating paying 5K for short time, like Thailand.  What prices did you pay?  Are Kenyan women worth doing LT/overnights? 

How were mosquitoes in Nairobi in your experience?  Any issues?  The place I'm at doesn't have mosquito netting and I don't really want to take malaria meds if I don't have to. 

That's it for questions I can think of off the top of my head, but if you had any tips or advice you'd be cool with offering up to a newbie to Africa, I'm definitely looking to hear it!

[cknice11]

The air b n b I stayed in it was no check in id requirement. Although I have never heard of anybody having issues with Kenyan chicks. You usually got to pay them to leave cause they a try to stay with you the whole trip. Keep your head on a swivel obviously but it's safe. Using common sense. Rates depend on the women but you I never paid more then 5k.Its definitely worth it to do overnight but my experience they want to stay and I'm a man of variety lol. Mosquitoes wasn't a huge problem for me but grab some repellent just in case. Kenya my second favorite African country so enjoy and have fun.

[uth]

In Kenya as with other parts of Africa, you might want to consider not doing strictly pay for play . It will be cheaper and more fulfilling. Go out meet the ladies old fashioned way, you will have a better experience.

[murano2010]

Many of the high rise buildings in the Westlands are filled with Airbnb apartments.   Including yours.   Most I believe have security in their buildings that check ID's of guests.   How involved they get when visitors get unruly, depends on policies in that building.     

If one is having a dispute in their unit, they dont want to leave the apt to go get security from downstairs.   It may be a good idea to ask your security when you check in, how to handle a situation if you have a guest.   I have the numbers of four of the security officers in the building I stay in.   Ive also tipped them, and bought them food on each visit.   

Im reasonably sure they might have my back if I had a problem with a guest.   I dont have a lot of experience dealing with p4p chicks in Nairobi, but my security did tell me that sometimes there have been incidents from time to time with girls causing trouble on the premises.  I had trouble with a p4p chick, but it didnt materialize until 2 days later.  With her demanding more money than the 4k ksh I gave her for lunch the day she was with me.   

One strategy is, to get the chick out of your unit.   Even if you have to trick them to get them out.
Once out then they become your securities' problem.       

Food was never an issue in Nairobi, the Westlands in particular.   Many restaurants and food choices are available.   Where you are, you could go to Java House nearby.  Or K1 Club House, Nairobi Street Kitchen, Rozina's.   Check your map, it will show you restaurants in the area.   You could go to Sarit Centre Mall or Westgate Mall to their food courts.   

You could take a Bolt or Uber to Oyster Bay restaurant in Kilimani.  You can order food delivered from Uber, Glovo or Bolt.   

[murano2010]

The mosquitos were not a problem when I was out and about.   I had minor problems with mosquitos in my apt when I or the cleaning staff left windows open.  That would make them a problem at night when I was sleeping.   So I learned to keep the windows closed.   

Most airbnb apartments do not have a/c.  Usually the weather is moderately warm to cool year round.  Thats why people open windows and use fans.  And thats how mosquitos get in. 

As for connecting with women.  I have used Tinder and Badoo, picked up a chick at Brew Bistro club which is in the Westlands.  A few blocks from where u are staying.  I have met chicks in Sarit Centre Mall, outside of the mall.  I have met chicks working at restaurants.   

My better experiences were meeting chicks just out and about.  There are many p4p chicks and scammers on apps like Tinder.  There are some chicks that use the sites to hopefully find men to date them or take care of them.  The problem with the sites, is very often the chicks do not look like their pictures in person.   Thats why meeting chicks when out and about can be the better option.

What you see is what you get.   And they see you as well.    The main thing I liked about the dating sites, is how proactive the chicks were, and how quickly my inbox filled up with likes.  At present, I have 3800 likes from Tinder.  3400 of them are from Kenya alone.   200 out of that 3400 number may be chicks I would pursue.  But even having 200 possibilities is a good start.

With the 2 women I met last trip.  Both are non direct p4p.  They both work.  One at a restaurant, the other has her own business.  I say non direct p4p, because in reality these women are still looking for men to take the initiative in pursuing them utilizing his resources, while they benefit.     it's just that it appears less transactional, and more personable. 

One might find women that will elect to cook for you, like my wingman did.   He met 3 different women from Tinder, 2 of which cooked for him in his Airbnb.   They all are his pretend gf's.   Just like the ones I met last trip.  With these non direct p4p chicks, you can compensate them any way you see fit.   Hopefully you dont get one thats too needy or a liability.

[LAKESIDE40]

almost 100% on booking my first trip to Kenya somewhere in April.  I had to convince myself and others that these D.R. trips are starting to have a Groundhog Day feel to them and a new destination wouldn’t hurt.  I upgraded Tinder to take a look and the eye candy is not there like D.R., but f--k it I’ll still have a good time!

[jd66]

almost 100% on booking my first trip to Kenya somewhere in April.  I had to convince myself and others that these D.R. trips are starting to have a Groundhog Day feel to them and a new destination wouldn’t hurt.  I upgraded Tinder to take a look and the eye candy is not there like D.R., but f--k it I’ll still have a good time!

Once you start venturing out to places other than Sosua you will quickly wonder why you didn't make the leap sooner and the luster of Sosua wears off.

[Sosuaplaya]

Many of the high rise buildings in the Westlands are filled with Airbnb apartments.   Including yours.   Most I believe have security in their buildings that check ID's of guests.   How involved they get when visitors get unruly, depends on policies in that building.     

If one is having a dispute in their unit, they dont want to leave the apt to go get security from downstairs.   It may be a good idea to ask your security when you check in, how to handle a situation if you have a guest.   I have the numbers of four of the security officers in the building I stay in.   Ive also tipped them, and bought them food on each visit.   

Im reasonably sure they might have my back if I had a problem with a guest.   I dont have a lot of experience dealing with p4p chicks in Nairobi, but my security did tell me that sometimes there have been incidents from time to time with girls causing trouble on the premises.  I had trouble with a p4p chick, but it didnt materialize until 2 days later.  With her demanding more money than the 4k ksh I gave her for lunch the day she was with me.   

One strategy is, to get the chick out of your unit.   Even if you have to trick them to get them out.
Once out then they become your securities' problem.       

Food was never an issue in Nairobi, the Westlands in particular.   Many restaurants and food choices are available.   Where you are, you could go to Java House nearby.  Or K1 Club House, Nairobi Street Kitchen, Rozina's.   Check your map, it will show you restaurants in the area.   You could go to Sarit Centre Mall or Westgate Mall to their food courts.   

You could take a Bolt or Uber to Oyster Bay restaurant in Kilimani.  You can order food delivered from Uber, Glovo or Bolt.

Brilliant - thanks for all the advice, brother.  It was actually your reports and the info from Bat Man that made interested in checking out Kenya.  I don't got as much time as you there unfortunately, but hoping it goes as well as your trip.

About the potential problem once women are in your apartment and make it difficult to kick out:   What do you think about getting a separate smash pad then?  I was thinking there are several lower quality but still acceptable apartments in Westlands that wouldn't hurt to rent a bit.  So I keep all my luggage and possessions in the higher quality place that I sleep at and would never bring girls back to, and then I have the cheaper place to bring girls to and more or less not worry if they cause shit because none of my possessions are on the line.  I definitely plan on tipping the security at both locations just in case, because I'm assuming they'd have your back if a situatioin with a girl were to occur. 

[murano2010]

Brilliant - thanks for all the advice, brother.  It was actually your reports and the info from Bat Man that made interested in checking out Kenya.  I don't got as much time as you there unfortunately, but hoping it goes as well as your trip.

About the potential problem once women are in your apartment and make it difficult to kick out:   What do you think about getting a separate smash pad then? I was thinking there are several lower quality but still acceptable apartments in Westlands that wouldn't hurt to rent a bit.  So I keep all my luggage and possessions in the higher quality place that I sleep at and would never bring girls back to, and then I have the cheaper place to bring girls to and more or less not worry if they cause shit because none of my possessions are on the line.  I definitely plan on tipping the security at both locations just in case, because I'm assuming they'd have your back if a situatioin with a girl were to occur.

Getting a separate place is doable, because Airbnb's are affordable in the Westlands.  If I felt the need, I would get a separate place right in my own building, so I dont have to travel far between places.   

Generally, I think getting a separate unit only to protect yourself from chicks giving you problems is unnecessary in Nairobi, Westlands.   IMO the way most chicks operate in the Westlands is nowhere near what goes on in Sosua.   But on the other hand, I know I would feel more secure and relaxed entertaining ANY chick in a separate smash pad.   

Here are two reasons why getting a separate pad may be a good idea.   If you find yourself leaving the apartment for any reason, like getting a food delivery downstairs, going to your wingman's apartment, going to get security.  Those would be good reasons for having a separate place.   A few times I felt insecure with my company in the apartment with all of my stuff when I had to leave for only a few minutes. 

Even in a smash pad, a guy has to still watch his back.  My wingman and I were warned by one of the chicks he was messing with from Mtwapa, who said we needed to be careful of women using drugs to knock guys out.  Namely, spiking drinks.   

The building I stay in ( Westlands ), my guests cannot leave on their own.   They have to be escorted out.   One needs a key card in order to get to the elevator or exit the building from the elevator.  That type of security may make it less likely for chicks to act up on the premises.   But sometimes when chicks get intoxicated they might become a whole different person and/or potential problem. 

[Sosuaplaya]

Thank you, brother.  Very logical and well-thought out reasons.   Could you PM me the place you stay at in Nairobi if you’re comfortable with that?   I like the idea of my dates having to be escorted out for security reasons and I don’t know if the current place I’ll be staying at (Elite Residences) does that.   Might just turn my current accommodation to a smash pad and then go with your place.   

[murano2010]

Thank you, brother.  Very logical and well-thought out reasons.   Could you PM me the place you stay at in Nairobi if you’re comfortable with that?   I like the idea of my dates having to be escorted out for security reasons and I don’t know if the current place I’ll be staying at (Elite Residences) does that.   Might just turn my current accommodation to a smash pad and then go with your place.

Let me clear up something.   In my building and probably yours too, security doesnt supervise or enforce renters to escort their guests out of the building.   Guests do not leave their ID's with security.   They just have to let security record their ID information.  These buildings are more like residences, than a hotel.   In Sosua, they keep the ID of the girl guests but not men.

In Nairobi if the hotel or residence doesnt have a strict policy of holding ID's, they arent holding any ID's of women or men guests, only recording their ID information in a journal. 

The main thing I was pointing out about my building, is that one needs a key card in order to get from the lobby to the elevator.   And from the elevator to the lobby.   That sort of forces the renter to have to escort his guest(s) into or out of the building.  However, a guest can get around that if they are leaving, just by waiting for someone else to open the gate with their own key card.   

Security is not going to know if a guest or resident is using a key card or someone else opened the gate for them.  And since there is no ID to collect, a guest is free to walk out. 

Last December, my buddy checked out of the building to fly home.  He told security he was coming back the next day.  He did that so his pretend GF could stay in the Airbnb for the last night.  In the morning when she checked out, she left the key card with the cleaning staff or put the key back in the lockbox.   So you see, there are ways around security. 

I recommend that you get your 2nd place right in the building where you are staying.  Do you realize how convenient that could be for you?   Why get another place a 1/4 mile away?   You will have already solved your security issues by getting a 2nd spot right in your own building.

The advantage of having your extra place in the same building is, you have access to your comfort spot and your stuff at anytime without having to go far to get it.  For example, you need some wine or condoms that you left in your main spot?  You can leave your guest in the smash spot to go to your other place to get it.    You can tell your guest that you went to your wingmans apt for a minute.   Or you can fake like you ordered something for delivery.

Having 2 units in one building means only needing to check out of one building, without having to go to the other building and check out of there too.   Only one set of security guards to tip.  2 units in one building means not having to use a taxi to go to each place, especially at inconvenient times.   

You will be fine with the security you have at Elite Residences.  In fact their security maybe even better than elsewhere.   

   

[Sosuaplaya]

Thank you, brother.  Very logical and well-thought out reasons.   Could you PM me the place you stay at in Nairobi if you’re comfortable with that?   I like the idea of my dates having to be escorted out for security reasons and I don’t know if the current place I’ll be staying at (Elite Residences) does that.   Might just turn my current accommodation to a smash pad and then go with your place.

Let me clear up something.   In my building and probably yours too, security doesnt supervise or enforce renters to escort their guests out of the building.   Guests do not leave their ID's with security.   They just have to let security record their ID information.  These buildings are more like residences, than a hotel.   In Sosua, they keep the ID of the girl guests but not men.

In Nairobi if the hotel or residence doesnt have a strict policy of holding ID's, they arent holding any ID's of women or men guests, only recording their ID information in a journal. 

The main thing I was pointing out about my building, is that one needs a key card in order to get from the lobby to the elevator.   And from the elevator to the lobby.   That sort of forces the renter to have to escort his guest(s) into or out of the building.  However, a guest can get around that if they are leaving, just by waiting for someone else to open the gate with their own key card.   

Security is not going to know if a guest or resident is using a key card or someone else opened the gate for them.  And since there is no ID to collect, a guest is free to walk out. 

Last December, my buddy checked out of the building to fly home.  He told security he was coming back the next day.  He did that so his pretend GF could stay in the Airbnb for the last night.  In the morning when she checked out, she left the key card with the cleaning staff or put the key back in the lockbox.   So you see, there are ways around security. 

I recommend that you get your 2nd place right in the building where you are staying.  Do you realize how convenient that could be for you?   Why get another place a 1/4 mile away?   You will have already solved your security issues by getting a 2nd spot right in your own building.

The advantage of having your extra place in the same building is, you have access to your comfort spot and your stuff at anytime without having to go far to get it.  For example, you need some wine or condoms that you left in your main spot?  You can leave your guest in the smash spot to go to your other place to get it.    You can tell your guest that you went to your wingmans apt for a minute.   Or you can fake like you ordered something for delivery.

Having 2 units in one building means only needing to check out of one building, without having to go to the other building and check out of there too.   Only one set of security guards to tip.  2 units in one building means not having to use a taxi to go to each place, especially at inconvenient times.   

You will be fine with the security you have at Elite Residences.  In fact their security maybe even better than elsewhere.   

   

Ah, that makes sense.  Yeah, there was a bit of confusion on my part because I thought you meant guests were only allowed to enter and leave via leaving their IDs and/or being escorted by their partner.  Coming from Pattaya where it's pretty much standard protocol for guests to leave their IDs and for some hotels to even receive a phone call asking if everything's okay, I thought it might be the same in Nairobi.  But I get it, Pattaya is a playground and Nairobi is a legitimate city with other things going on. 

On the subject of security: How much would you consider tipping them so that they may have your back and would jump to handle any broads that are causing drama?  Would say 1000 Kenyan shillings be an acceptable amount to tip security and get in their good graces?  Also, is the tip a daily thing?  A per-incident tip?  Or you just tip them once when you check in and you're good?

[murano2010]

Ah, that makes sense.  Yeah, there was a bit of confusion on my part because I thought you meant guests were only allowed to enter and leave via leaving their IDs and/or being escorted by their partner.  Coming from Pattaya where it's pretty much standard protocol for guests to leave their IDs and for some hotels to even receive a phone call asking if everything's okay, I thought it might be the same in Nairobi.  But I get it, Pattaya is a playground and Nairobi is a legitimate city with other things going on. 

On the subject of security: How much would you consider tipping them so that they may have your back and would jump to handle any broads that are causing drama?  Would say 1000 Kenyan shillings be an acceptable amount to tip security and get in their good graces?  Also, is the tip a daily thing?  A per-incident tip?  Or you just tip them once when you check in and you're good?

TBH in hindsight I think me and my wingman may have over done the tipping thing.   In all of the times we were around security, we never saw anybody else tipping them.  Everybody else in the building just treated them as if they were doing their jobs.

How I got started tipping, was the time one of my guests did not have her ID on her, but she had a picture of it on her phone.  At the time I really appreciated them letting her through.  But beside that, Im used to showing security that I appreciate their work when I travel.  I just got too happy looking out for them.  Buying pizza, giving each guard money to their M Pesa accounts.

So at times I went a little overboard.  Which I see is NOT a good thing, except for them.  In Kenya the folks there are just like Dominicans.  Once you open the floodgates, things can become an expectation.

On the positive, Kenyans treat small amounts of money like gold.  The same way 100 pesos to a Dominican is like gold.  Kenyans would treat 200 ksh like gold.     In the middle of your stay you  can give your security ( one or 2 guards ) 200 ksh each and Im sure that will be fine.   

Then maybe upon leaving you can do it again.  Maybe even up it to 500 each, but not necessary ).   The reason Im not recommending 1000ksh, is because there may be more than one guard on duty, per shift.  A day and a night shift.   So you dont want to give up too much if you are tipping several guards.   If you are tipping several guards during your stay 200ksh,  they will assume they are all getting the same thing.   That money adds up.   

The main thing is, they appreciate the gesture.  They arent going to look at you as being cheap. And besides, it's not your responsibility to tip them, and they know that.  They are doing the job they are paid to do.     

Think about it.  Other people are living there and paying rent or bought their units.   And they are probably not tipping guards every day.  They pay enough to live there, and so are we for what we pay to stay there on the short term.   

Another thing you can do, is offer them some food or snacks.  It doesnt have to be cash.    My next trip to Nairobi is in a few days.  I am going to modify and tone down my tipping/gifting this trip.   I was unnecessarily generous my last trip.   Im using my past tipping and gifting as leverage for this upcoming trip.  Ive paid my dues.  Now, I will switch to reward based gifting based on whatever help they provide.   Other than that , I will give them warm greetings and pleasantries.   

Im staying for almost a month and a half ( 2 different locations ).   Im going to be living as a local to a certain extent.   BTW when do you plan to arrive in Westlands?       

[Sosuaplaya]

Ah, that makes sense.  Yeah, there was a bit of confusion on my part because I thought you meant guests were only allowed to enter and leave via leaving their IDs and/or being escorted by their partner.  Coming from Pattaya where it's pretty much standard protocol for guests to leave their IDs and for some hotels to even receive a phone call asking if everything's okay, I thought it might be the same in Nairobi.  But I get it, Pattaya is a playground and Nairobi is a legitimate city with other things going on. 

On the subject of security: How much would you consider tipping them so that they may have your back and would jump to handle any broads that are causing drama?  Would say 1000 Kenyan shillings be an acceptable amount to tip security and get in their good graces?  Also, is the tip a daily thing?  A per-incident tip?  Or you just tip them once when you check in and you're good?

TBH in hindsight I think me and my wingman may have over done the tipping thing.   In all of the times we were around security, we never saw anybody else tipping them.  Everybody else in the building just treated them as if they were doing their jobs.

How I got started tipping, was the time one of my guests did not have her ID on her, but she had a picture of it on her phone.  At the time I really appreciated them letting her through.  But beside that, Im used to showing security that I appreciate their work when I travel.  I just got too happy looking out for them.  Buying pizza, giving each guard money to their M Pesa accounts.

So at times I went a little overboard.  Which I see is NOT a good thing, except for them.  In Kenya the folks there are just like Dominicans.  Once you open the floodgates, things can become an expectation.

On the positive, Kenyans treat small amounts of money like gold.  The same way 100 pesos to a Dominican is like gold.  Kenyans would treat 200 ksh like gold.     In the middle of your stay you  can give your security ( one or 2 guards ) 200 ksh each and Im sure that will be fine.   

Then maybe upon leaving you can do it again.  Maybe even up it to 500 each, but not necessary ).   The reason Im not recommending 1000ksh, is because there may be more than one guard on duty, per shift.  A day and a night shift.   So you dont want to give up too much if you are tipping several guards.   If you are tipping several guards during your stay 200ksh,  they will assume they are all getting the same thing.   That money adds up.   

The main thing is, they appreciate the gesture.  They arent going to look at you as being cheap. And besides, it's not your responsibility to tip them, and they know that.  They are doing the job they are paid to do.     

Think about it.  Other people are living there and paying rent or bought their units.   And they are probably not tipping guards every day.  They pay enough to live there, and so are we for what we pay to stay there on the short term.   

Another thing you can do, is offer them some food or snacks.  It doesnt have to be cash.    My next trip to Nairobi is in a few days.  I am going to modify and tone down my tipping/gifting this trip.   I was unnecessarily generous my last trip.   Im using my past tipping and gifting as leverage for this upcoming trip.  Ive paid my dues.  Now, I will switch to reward based gifting based on whatever help they provide.   Other than that , I will give them warm greetings and pleasantries.   

Im staying for almost a month and a half ( 2 different locations ).   Im going to be living as a local to a certain extent.   BTW when do you plan to arrive in Westlands?       

Hmm, I think we are probably alike in terms of our tipping philosophies.  So, I appreciate you sharing your experience on it. 

Not to keep bringing up Thailand, but the Thais seem to be different than Dominicans and I guess Kenyans.  Thais absolutely worship you if you tip and don't push it.  My experience with Dominicanas they take tips as kindness = weakness and keep trying to push it and take advantage of you.  Unfortunate to hear that it's similar for Kenyans, but it also sounds like being modest with my tipping would still be a good idea to make security more likely to go above and beyond if a chica tries to start drama.  I will just be mindful like you suggest to not go overboard with my tipping.  Will just tip the first time I meet each security guy and make sure they remember my name. 

I get to Westlands in early April and am staying for under 2 weeks - I know...not a lot of time at all, but that's what I have to work with.  I am a little apprehensive because the main goal is to really just hookup with dimes that still know how to treat men like men and for cheap, but I know it maybe isn't as simple as Pattaya. 

I'm setting things up on apps like Tinder, Badoo, Tagged, etc right now and it's kind of hit and miss.  I am not playing the game and trying to woo these girls over.  I am being straight to the point that I am willing to pay them X (4K -8K) for hooking up...I have to be this direct because I don't have the time to play games and pretend that these girls want to date me.  Some girls are supposedly cool and responding positively.  Some understandably get upset.  I do have to say that I can't help the feeling that the vast majority of them are trying to gauge how they can scam me and rinse me of as much money as possible.  I understand.  It's the nature of the scene. 

I am aware that the reputation of Kenyan women isn't necessarily as trustworthy and safe as Thai ladies.  Will have to see if I've done enough due dilligence to not get fleeced.

What do you think about openly starting conversations transactionally and to the point like this, bro?  I know it's obviously better to play the game and pretend date, but I do not have time. 

[murano2010]

Hmm, I think we are probably alike in terms of our tipping philosophies.  So, I appreciate you sharing your experience on it.


No problem, sharing is caring.  Your inquiries have helped me as well.


Not to keep bringing up Thailand, but the Thais seem to be different than Dominicans and I guess Kenyans.  Thais absolutely worship you if you tip and don't push it.  My experience with Dominicanas they take tips as kindness = weakness and keep trying to push it and take advantage of you.  Unfortunate to hear that it's similar for Kenyans, but it also sounds like being modest with my tipping would still be a good idea to make security more likely to go above and beyond if a chica tries to start drama.  I will just be mindful like you suggest to not go overboard with my tipping.  Will just tip the first time I meet each security guy and make sure they remember my name.

I'm not exactly sure of what you heard or what you know about Nairobi Westlands area, because I find that your concerns and precautions are pretty high regarding having security look after you at your Airbnb.  Its almost like you heard some real foul shit that happened to some cats.   

Personally, Ive felt very relaxed and secure in the Westlands area and at my building.  Just the way security is set up with 2 guards on duty, provides that sense of relief.  Remember these are not hotels like in Sosua, these are residences where people live.   

The average chick that will come with you to your Airbnb is not there to start trouble.  If this is your 1st visit, you will get to see how things are for yourself.  You may find, that much of your concerns and precautions although wise, it was never going to get that serious to need security to get involved. 

Because the Kenyans are not like Thais, I would not suggest tipping your security right away upon meeting them.  Wait a day or two so you get to see how they treat you, as you come and go.  For the very reason that you stated.  They take kindness for weakness.  You start tipping them when they havent even done anything, will look like a dude with a pocket full of money that doesnt know what to do with it.   The other reason is, you want to see their attitudes toward you.   

A guard with a stank attitude towards you is not one you want to reward for that.  So take a day or two to see what type of vibe they give you.   You can, like I suggested quiz them about how you or they can help if you have a problem with a guest.  That could be the appropriate time to offer the tip, because now the guard knows the service you are looking for.   

I get to Westlands in early April and am staying for under 2 weeks - I know...not a lot of time at all, but that's what I have to work with.  I am a little apprehensive because the main goal is to really just hookup with dimes that still know how to treat men like men and for cheap, but I know it maybe isn't as simple as Pattaya.

Ok Im there up until the 1st week in April.  If you are up to it, DM me here.   

I'm setting things up on apps like Tinder, Badoo, Tagged, etc right now and it's kind of hit and miss.  I am not playing the game and trying to woo these girls over.  I am being straight to the point that I am willing to pay them X (4K -8K) for hooking up...I have to be this direct because I don't have the time to play games and pretend that these girls want to date me.  Some girls are supposedly cool and responding positively.  Some understandably get upset.  I do have to say that I can't help the feeling that the vast majority of them are trying to gauge how they can scam me and rinse me of as much money as possible.  I understand.  It's the nature of the scene.

I am aware that the reputation of Kenyan women isn't necessarily as trustworthy and safe as Thai ladies.  Will have to see if I've done enough due dilligence to not get fleeced.

What do you think about openly starting conversations transactionally and to the point like this, bro?  I know it's obviously better to play the game and pretend date, but I do not have time.

Based on my experience and perspective, I believe you are starting off engaging with these women way too soon.  Yes, you will get a feel for how these women operate, but between now and April when you arrive there is no telling who you may actually hook up with.   The chicks will still be operating on the site before you get there.  That means you are exposing yourself to their long game of stringing you along, and potentially wasting your time. Them trying to fill your head with their typical seduction plan.

IMHO, you getting preliminary info on attitudes, vibe and costs is a good thing.  But the connections that you make that matter most are the ones you make about a week before you get there.   Not the ones you make more than a month and a half in advance.   All you will be doing now is enjoying some early ego stroking.   

But potentially setting yourself up for them wasting your time.   All that back and forth Whatsapping each other, can end up with you not even seeing most of them.   A week from your visit, whoever has still sustained your interest, those may be the ones you may see potential in connecting with.   On Tinder or Badoo, you will be so overwhelmed with likes and messages,  you wont know who you will connect with.   So enjoy the show.   

To answer your question.  You can if you choose talk transactionally with serious prospects, closer to the week you are arriving.  I cant see you having these conversations now, when it's not likely you will even hook up with these women.  Unless it's strictly you trying to get an idea what the average chick expects.    Dont forget, there may be some regular women that may meet your physical standards on these sites looking for a good time with a foreigner.   

You also have a few clubs in the vicinity like Brew Bistro or  Club Milan where p4p chicks are there waiting to get picked up.  At least there, you get to see what you are getting.