Trip to Nairobi Kenya coming up in April

[murano2010]

About the dating sites.  When I 1st started using Tinder for my Nairobi trip, I started off at last 2 weeks before I got there.   I had an advantage.  I was already in Africa.  I was in Tanzania.  My stay in Kenya was only going to be 11 days.   I did not feel my short vacation was going to limit me in any way.  I had ample time to establish connections. 

What you will notice, there will be a major difference in how the local women react to you when they can tell you are actually in Africa, and especially in Nairobi, as opposed to you still at home.  That makes a huge difference in your connection potential with local women.   You can if you want, use your VPN and try to change your geo location so you appear to be in Africa before you get there.   My VPN only puts me in South Africa, but it still gives chicks the impression that a guy is close.   

That may make a difference in the number of chicks that will seek you out.   

Lastly, be alert to chicks asking you specific details of where you are staying.  I had one of those.  I never video or voice chatted with this Tinder member.  But this mofo tried to get me to tell them where I was staying in the Westlands.  It claimed they lived nearby on the next road over, but not exactly in Westlands.    And then asked me "which apartment?"   Then changed it to "I mean name of the apartment?"    I thought that was very suspect for them to be asking me for that information.

The very last message I got after I stopped messaging.  "U taking me for dinner?"  Mind you , I havent voice or video chatted with this individual.  I didnt know who I was messaging on Whatsapp.  A real dead giveaway, is that their messaging was set up to disappear on Whatsapp.

So be on the lookout for scammers trying to get you to reveal where you are staying.  The one I suspected may have wanted to know the building I was staying in because they have a reason.  Maybe they f--ked somebody over and they cant go back there.  Could be a bunch of reasons.   

[murano2010]

I dont visit Tinder that much since I have my 2 pretend GF's in Nairobi.  I noticed that I now have just under 4100 total likes showing.   And even since I left Nairobi in Dec 2023, not one new message is in my inbox.   Only likes.  There may be only 50 chicks out of those, I would be interested in.  But watch what happens once my location shows I am in Nairobi.  My message inbox will start to fill up.

While browsing the chicks in my LIKE section, I see so many undesirables that it aint funny.  Im actually kind of glad about that, and not getting any messages in my inbox.   Maybe over the course of the last few months, most of the cute chicks who are in demand, they got snatched up?   Im fortunate to have 2 decent playmates that will keep me occupied.   Moreover, I definitely see the value and potential of meeting chicks just by being out and about. 

Dont be surprised if you see that potential materialize for you, meeting regular or p4p chicks while out and about.  Instead of getting them from Tinder or Badoo.

[Sosuaplaya]

Hmm, I think we are probably alike in terms of our tipping philosophies.  So, I appreciate you sharing your experience on it.


No problem, sharing is caring.  Your inquiries have helped me as well.


Not to keep bringing up Thailand, but the Thais seem to be different than Dominicans and I guess Kenyans.  Thais absolutely worship you if you tip and don't push it.  My experience with Dominicanas they take tips as kindness = weakness and keep trying to push it and take advantage of you.  Unfortunate to hear that it's similar for Kenyans, but it also sounds like being modest with my tipping would still be a good idea to make security more likely to go above and beyond if a chica tries to start drama.  I will just be mindful like you suggest to not go overboard with my tipping.  Will just tip the first time I meet each security guy and make sure they remember my name.

I'm not exactly sure of what you heard or what you know about Nairobi Westlands area, because I find that your concerns and precautions are pretty high regarding having security look after you at your Airbnb.  Its almost like you heard some real foul shit that happened to some cats.   

Personally, Ive felt very relaxed and secure in the Westlands area and at my building.  Just the way security is set up with 2 guards on duty, provides that sense of relief.  Remember these are not hotels like in Sosua, these are residences where people live.   

The average chick that will come with you to your Airbnb is not there to start trouble.  If this is your 1st visit, you will get to see how things are for yourself.  You may find, that much of your concerns and precautions although wise, it was never going to get that serious to need security to get involved. 

Because the Kenyans are not like Thais, I would not suggest tipping your security right away upon meeting them.  Wait a day or two so you get to see how they treat you, as you come and go.  For the very reason that you stated.  They take kindness for weakness.  You start tipping them when they havent even done anything, will look like a dude with a pocket full of money that doesnt know what to do with it.   The other reason is, you want to see their attitudes toward you.   

A guard with a stank attitude towards you is not one you want to reward for that.  So take a day or two to see what type of vibe they give you.   You can, like I suggested quiz them about how you or they can help if you have a problem with a guest.  That could be the appropriate time to offer the tip, because now the guard knows the service you are looking for.   

I get to Westlands in early April and am staying for under 2 weeks - I know...not a lot of time at all, but that's what I have to work with.  I am a little apprehensive because the main goal is to really just hookup with dimes that still know how to treat men like men and for cheap, but I know it maybe isn't as simple as Pattaya.

Ok Im there up until the 1st week in April.  If you are up to it, DM me here.   

I'm setting things up on apps like Tinder, Badoo, Tagged, etc right now and it's kind of hit and miss.  I am not playing the game and trying to woo these girls over.  I am being straight to the point that I am willing to pay them X (4K -8K) for hooking up...I have to be this direct because I don't have the time to play games and pretend that these girls want to date me.  Some girls are supposedly cool and responding positively.  Some understandably get upset.  I do have to say that I can't help the feeling that the vast majority of them are trying to gauge how they can scam me and rinse me of as much money as possible.  I understand.  It's the nature of the scene.

I am aware that the reputation of Kenyan women isn't necessarily as trustworthy and safe as Thai ladies.  Will have to see if I've done enough due dilligence to not get fleeced.

What do you think about openly starting conversations transactionally and to the point like this, bro?  I know it's obviously better to play the game and pretend date, but I do not have time.

Based on my experience and perspective, I believe you are starting off engaging with these women way too soon.  Yes, you will get a feel for how these women operate, but between now and April when you arrive there is no telling who you may actually hook up with.   The chicks will still be operating on the site before you get there.  That means you are exposing yourself to their long game of stringing you along, and potentially wasting your time. Them trying to fill your head with their typical seduction plan.

IMHO, you getting preliminary info on attitudes, vibe and costs is a good thing.  But the connections that you make that matter most are the ones you make about a week before you get there.   Not the ones you make more than a month and a half in advance.   All you will be doing now is enjoying some early ego stroking.   

But potentially setting yourself up for them wasting your time.   All that back and forth Whatsapping each other, can end up with you not even seeing most of them.   A week from your visit, whoever has still sustained your interest, those may be the ones you may see potential in connecting with.   On Tinder or Badoo, you will be so overwhelmed with likes and messages,  you wont know who you will connect with.   So enjoy the show.   

To answer your question.  You can if you choose talk transactionally with serious prospects, closer to the week you are arriving.  I cant see you having these conversations now, when it's not likely you will even hook up with these women.  Unless it's strictly you trying to get an idea what the average chick expects.    Dont forget, there may be some regular women that may meet your physical standards on these sites looking for a good time with a foreigner.   

You also have a few clubs in the vicinity like Brew Bistro or  Club Milan where p4p chicks are there waiting to get picked up.  At least there, you get to see what you are getting.

Yeah, I think (I'm hoping) that I am just being paranoid about the potential drama that could pop up.  I've done a bit of research for this trip because I am trying to be as prepared as I can, and I've read some things on ISG about Nairobi and Mombasa that made think I have to be on alert with Kenyan women.  Some instances where a girl gets to your room and just causes absolute hell and the situation gets stressful and dangerous.  It is good to hear that perhaps I'm probably taking it a bit too far and that the typical girl will probably be fine.  I just have slight worries because I don't have the time to exchange pleasantries with these girls and more or less have just propositioned them from the start.   That makes me worried that maybe that'll attract girls looking for trouble, but maybe not.  I hope not!


On tipping: That makes a lot of sense.  I thought it might be best to preemptively tip, but I trust your understanding of the typical Kenyan mindset when it comes to tipping and it makes a lot of sense that I should use it as a reward rather than as a bribe ahead of time.  Maybe it's just that I'm accustomed to giving tips even when unwarranted; I am an American, after all haha.  I'll take your advice and wait to see how the security treats me and I'll ask them how they would handle a hypothetical problem with a girl. 


On pre-gaming before arrival:  Yeah, it does seem like maybe I am too early with this.  Some girls have kind of scoffed at me looking to set up something so early in advance.  A positive from this approach though is it is helpful to kind of gather intel on the attitudes and tactics some girls use.  I am getting an idea of what prices are reasonable and what are outlandish or unacceptable.  Kenyan women are not shy about trying to start high in negotiations, and they're definitely much more direct and aggressive in negotiations.  Many girls have already asked for gifts or to pay for "medical bills"  .

I hope you have a good time in Kenya, brother. 

[Sosuaplaya]

About the dating sites.  When I 1st started using Tinder for my Nairobi trip, I started off at last 2 weeks before I got there.   I had an advantage.  I was already in Africa.  I was in Tanzania.  My stay in Kenya was only going to be 11 days.   I did not feel my short vacation was going to limit me in any way.  I had ample time to establish connections. 

What you will notice, there will be a major difference in how the local women react to you when they can tell you are actually in Africa, and especially in Nairobi, as opposed to you still at home.  That makes a huge difference in your connection potential with local women.   You can if you want, use your VPN and try to change your geo location so you appear to be in Africa before you get there.   My VPN only puts me in South Africa, but it still gives chicks the impression that a guy is close.   

That may make a difference in the number of chicks that will seek you out.   

Lastly, be alert to chicks asking you specific details of where you are staying.  I had one of those.  I never video or voice chatted with this Tinder member.  But this mofo tried to get me to tell them where I was staying in the Westlands.  It claimed they lived nearby on the next road over, but not exactly in Westlands.    And then asked me "which apartment?"   Then changed it to "I mean name of the apartment?"    I thought that was very suspect for them to be asking me for that information.

The very last message I got after I stopped messaging.  "U taking me for dinner?"  Mind you , I havent voice or video chatted with this individual.  I didnt know who I was messaging on Whatsapp.  A real dead giveaway, is that their messaging was set up to disappear on Whatsapp.

So be on the lookout for scammers trying to get you to reveal where you are staying.  The one I suspected may have wanted to know the building I was staying in because they have a reason.  Maybe they f--ked somebody over and they cant go back there.  Could be a bunch of reasons.

Yes, I remember reading about that weird situation in your report.  Seemed very suspect.  It was a good thing you caught them slipping and were aware that it was potentially a setup.  This is why I am approaching these Kenyan girls with a lot of caution.  Maybe they will be fine, but they seem to be more dangerous schemers than Thai girls (who are typically sweethearts).  A Thai girl will just give you a sob story about a family member needing their medical bills paid...whereas some Kenyan girls I've talked to so far seem like they have some strange and unsettling plans below the surface.  It's just a lot more in your face that they are trying to take your money when you talk to Kenyans. 

[Sosuaplaya]

I dont visit Tinder that much since I have my 2 pretend GF's in Nairobi.  I noticed that I now have just under 4100 total likes showing.   And even since I left Nairobi in Dec 2023, not one new message is in my inbox.   Only likes.  There may be only 50 chicks out of those, I would be interested in.  But watch what happens once my location shows I am in Nairobi.  My message inbox will start to fill up.

While browsing the chicks in my LIKE section, I see so many undesirables that it aint funny.  Im actually kind of glad about that, and not getting any messages in my inbox.   Maybe over the course of the last few months, most of the cute chicks who are in demand, they got snatched up?   Im fortunate to have 2 decent playmates that will keep me occupied.   Moreover, I definitely see the value and potential of meeting chicks just by being out and about. 

Dont be surprised if you see that potential materialize for you, meeting regular or p4p chicks while out and about.  Instead of getting them from Tinder or Badoo.

I am getting flooded with likes too, but like you, I am finding a lot of them are not great quality.  Fortunately there are a lot of good ones because of the sheer number of interested women.  To be honest, though, I don't know how I feel about my pre-gaming via apps so far.  I have had some results with straight to the point talks with some girls, but I have no idea if they'll flake or worse if they'll just try and scam me.  I usually am more comfortable and better at the online game than on the ground, but I am hearing the same thing from every Kenya vet: it's far better to find talent on the ground. 

I think it'll probably be easier to read their character and kind of get their vibes on the ground, face-to-face.  We will see.  I am eager to hear more about your trip just to get a better idea of what to expect from girls currently.  Hard to find recent reports for Kenya, so I am very interested in how the Nairobi talent is.  I had heard that a lot of girls are struggling and looking for ways to make money, so I thought that'd translate to a better situation for hookups/pay for play.  We will have to see.

[LAKESIDE40]

I’m booked for April and I’m hoping like hell Tinder is no indication on what’s on the ground there. A few slightly attractive ones, a few butter faces and the rest are just unapproachable.  I had someone assure me that I would find some legit ladies in both Nairobi and Mombasa to my liking, so I guess I’m good.  Btw what’s up with the all the damn Asian chicks? Are they on the menu too??

[Sosuaplaya]

I’m booked for April and I’m hoping like hell Tinder is no indication on what’s on the ground there. A few slightly attractive ones, a few butter faces and the rest are just unapproachable.  I had someone assure me that I would find some legit ladies in both Nairobi and Mombasa to my liking, so I guess I’m good.  Btw what’s up with the all the damn Asian chicks? Are they on the menu too??

I saw a Thai escort on an escort site for Nairobi, and I contacted the number listed just to see what would come from it.  Just another scammer.  Like nearly every other conversation you'll have with a Kenyan digitally.  Hope this shit improves on the ground. 

[bigzozo]

April rainy season dude. That's the worse time. And like others said you don't need p4p in Nairobi. If you depend on p4p in Africa then I don't know what to tell you. I never discuss "rates" in Africa. Ever.

[Sosuaplaya]

April rainy season dude. That's the worse time. And like others said you don't need p4p in Nairobi. If you depend on p4p in Africa then I don't know what to tell you. I never discuss "rates" in Africa. Ever.

Eh, you can probably hookup without traditional p4p in Africa, but I've read enough reports that make it clear that African women will expect money regardless.  If you have time to play the game, it seems like it's very easy to hook up and just deal with the eventual cash begging later.  For those of us that don't have the luxury of time, I think it's no big deal to grease the wheels a bit with some cash. 

[stinqu]

Sound to me they are play the game "I'm not that type of girl" BS, HELPS THEM SAVE FACE.

[bigzozo]

April rainy season dude. That's the worse time. And like others said you don't need p4p in Nairobi. If you depend on p4p in Africa then I don't know what to tell you. I never discuss "rates" in Africa. Ever.

Eh, you can probably hookup without traditional p4p in Africa, but I've read enough reports that make it clear that African women will expect money regardless.  If you have time to play the game, it seems like it's very easy to hook up and just deal with the eventual cash begging later.  For those of us that don't have the luxury of time, I think it's no big deal to grease the wheels a bit with some cash.

"Probably"? You can lol! This is the global south of course many women will expect SOMETHING(i.e taking them out even on tours, etc). But point is its much easier to smash regular women in Africa than Latin America without it being transactional. And who are these "reports" from? I been to Africa 7 times(soon to be and 4 different countries, and like I said its easy as hell smashing regular women without straight up transactions just as long as the "vibe" is good. I should have been clear in saying you don't have to mess with straight up prostitutes(I'm not judging). Normal women especially the young ones in Nairobi love sex and having fun and you being American adds points. This is why I said I don't even discuss "rates." Lose the "short time vs long time" idea. And you will have time. Just tell the women you looking for fun and they will understand. Like I said most young African women in big cities just looking forn a good time.

Transactional to me is you PAYING for her time like seen when dude pay in DR and Colombia even if yall go out together.

Edit: I would consider pushing your trip to June around when rainy season ends.

[bigzozo]

Sound to me they are play the game "I'm not that type of girl" BS, HELPS THEM SAVE FACE.

Yea maybe with Dominican women or if you mostly messing with pros lol. I didn't have any transactional relationships with the women in Africa my recent trip a few weeks ago(i can even show receipts). Most I did was them coming on tours. Now if you messing with pros thats a different story.


Edit:
I'm not gonna go back and fourth. But as an Africa veteran that Sosua/Latin America mongering strategy is NOT needed in Africa unless you an old n----. And no offense to any older people on here.

[murano2010]

The thing is, in order for a guy to establish contacts with what he presumes to be non p4p chicks, a dude has to make an effort and put in the time talking to strangers.   

While in Nairobi or Mombasa guys may not run into an abundance of women that are open to being approached on the fly, plus them to be very attractive, and most importantly, they are available.   Women like that if they got it going on, one would expect that they were unavailable.   

Yes I met some women using a cold approach.  But that doesnt make these women any better than the women using dating sites.  Any woman a guy meets can come with problems. 

Think about it.  Why are so many of these non pro sexy attractive women available to foreigners, instead of their own men 1st?  It's also possible, when a guy meets an attractive chick while out and about, the chick he's talking to is a member of several dating sites.  Or she's preparing to monkey branch from one guy to the next.

You just dont know what the deal is when you bump into a strange chick who appears to be receptive and interested.   

[bigzozo]

You guys are making it more complicated than it is lol. Women are women everywhere. Who said they were void of any issues? But fact of the matter Many women in Africa are gonna jump on a foreign dude. My point is this "whats the rate for short time or long time" in Nairobi is NOT needed, heck even if you messing with pros. African women all about "vibes."  Of course they gonna expect you to do things but all in all this "you leche and done shit" or "short time or long time" idea is not needed. Majority of the attractive women are gonna be getting hit on by many people. Why wouldn't they? And who is dismissing dating apps??? Plenty of regular women on dating apps like tinder.

But again as an African vet the Sosua/Latin America "mongering" mentality is NOT NEEDED in Africa. But if yall wanna go that route then....

Edit:

To put it in simple words. For LA you pay for the sex(mostly due to language barrier).

In Africa including Nairobi you pay for the woman to LEAVE. Again there is no NEED for a "short term/long term"  mentality.

[murano2010]

You guys are making it more complicated than it is lol.

Not a man who has never been to the destination he is going to. 

Women are women everywhere.

The OP had that figured out.  Hence the reason he wanted to know what the p4p range was in Nairobi.  Just like I wanted to know on my 1st visit the Brew Bistro club in Westlands.   Having a ballpark on what prices were like, made a huge difference in being able to negotiate and not overpaying.   

Who said they were void of any issues?

Nobody. You seem to be making an argument where there is none.  The main point is,  African women are not monolithic, so it's important for men to exercise discernment when dealing with individual women.  Not going by generalizations of African women.

But fact of the matter Many women in Africa are gonna jump on a foreign dude.


IMO that's already understood.  A guy coming to Africa for the 1st time is going to be paying attention to how and why African women are jumping on foreigners.  The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly. 

My point is this "whats the rate for short time or long time" in Nairobi is NOT needed, heck even if you messing with pros. African women all about "vibes."  Of course they gonna expect you to do things but all in all this "you leche and done shit" or "short time or long time" idea is not needed.

Whether it's a need, a want or a preference for getting it.  Any man can inquire among his peers what the going rate is for ST or LT at a particular destination.  You seem to take personal issue with a man merely asking for that information?  How else is he supposed to know besides boots on the ground, if he doesnt ask? 

Your response, is like you are dissing a guy for merely asking about ST/LT rates.   The man never said it was a NEED.  All he asked is for the information.  Even non pros may have their expectations.   

African women are all about the vibes?  Of course, including those women whose vibe is directly connected to getting some cash from a dude.   Or chicks who are a part of the scam culture.   Thats why a guy has to discern who he is dealing with, out in the field. 

Not go by generalizations of how African women are into vibing.  Trust no woman.  Ive observed a few examples of African chicks vibing with guys.  At the end of the day, it was just for show.  Many women are very good at making the right impression.  Even when they are void of sincerity.   Including those women that managed being married to men for years.  Men they dont really love.  Vibing from a womans perspective is like a purring house cat trying to get fed.   


But again as an African vet the Sosua/Latin America "mongering" mentality is NOT NEEDED in Africa. But if yall wanna go that route then....


When did asking for feedback about a destination you never been to, become having a certain mentality?    Whatcha call it? A Sosua/Latin America mentality? LOL   Not only are you not supposed to ask for feedback about prices at a destination.  But doing so gets you labelled as having a certain mentality.