Stand Your Ground!

[PoonTangClan]

This thread was inspired by something I read in someone else’s thread about Kenya in Africa, and it really irked the shit outta me in general. P4P women asking for $100 USD? All the way in Africa? What in the actual f--k? Look…

I know this board has debated this price shit over and over, but there are still a lot of holdouts that believe a dude should just pay whatever amount he’s comfortable with paying, even if the chica’s price quote is outrageous. Naa. No. F--k that.

These hoes are trying to play us all (gringos). If our currency is crushing their currency (which is usually the case), NOBODY should be paying these hoes like the USD and their lower value currency is on par.

Just using Kenya, Africa as an example: the average MONTHLY salary is 6,498 shillings ($52.68 USD), so how the f--k is a hoe demanding a MONTH’S salary ($100 USD) to smash for what? 30 minutes? An hour? Naa, bro.

Whether it’s Africa, Dominican Republic, Colombia, Thailand, or wherever, stop paying these hoes like they reside in the United States with you. They don’t. Stop allowing them to act as if THEIR country’s economy matches ours. It does not. Currency isn’t the same, prices aren’t the same, nothing. The shit gotta stop.

And if you still insist on overpaying, that hoe better be doing naked handstands, juggling, cooking, and smashing you all at the same time.

[cknice11]

I ain't never got quoted no bullshit like this in Africa. I then had dimes for $20. I hope we don't get a uptick in the "ballers" in Africa. They then killed sosua and Cartagena. This just pissed me off on Christmas Eve seeing somebody paying some goofy shit like that in Africa

[PoonTangClan]

I ain't never got quoted no bullshit like this in Africa. I then had dimes for $20. I hope we don't get a uptick in the "ballers" in Africa. They then killed sosua and Cartagena. This just pissed me off on Christmas Eve seeing somebody paying some goofy shit like that in Africa

From the other thread on Kenya, I think whoever it was counteroffered with $80 USD, which is still outrageous.

I haven’t traveled to the African continent yet myself, but I was just triggered by how far and wide (globally) this P4P price gouging f--kery has spread. It’s really crazy.

From the debates that have taken place on this forum, the question has always been “who’s really in control?” The buyer or the seller?

As far as I’m concerned, the buyer is in control, because all of the sellers are selling the exact same product (pussy). If everyone is selling the same thing, there’s no scarcity, so hypothetically, no seller should feel at all confident that they’re gonna win the sales battle. As a result of that, the sellers SHOULD be bending over backwards to score a sale, but that’s not the case because gringos keep capitulating to the price gouging.

The whole P4P market is f--ked up all around.

[Bat Man]

I ain't never got quoted no bullshit like this in Africa. I then had dimes for $20. I hope we don't get a uptick in the "ballers" in Africa. They then killed sosua and Cartagena. This just pissed me off on Christmas Eve seeing somebody paying some goofy shit like that in Africa

It's a 17 hour flight from the East Coast to Nairobi the "ballers" are Not gonna f--k up Kenya.

But yeah step a few miles away from Brew Bistro in the Westlands and these chicks living conditions aint on the level with most Haitians in the DR.

[Bat Man]

I ain't never got quoted no bullshit like this in Africa. I then had dimes for $20. I hope we don't get a uptick in the "ballers" in Africa. They then killed sosua and Cartagena. This just pissed me off on Christmas Eve seeing somebody paying some goofy shit like that in Africa

From the other thread on Kenya, I think whoever it was counteroffered with $80 USD, which is still outrageous.

I haven’t traveled to the African continent yet myself, but I was just triggered by how far and wide (globally) this P4P price gouging f--kery has spread. It’s really crazy.

From the debates that have taken place on this forum, the question has always been “who’s really in control?” The buyer or the seller?

As far as I’m concerned, the buyer is in control, because all of the sellers are selling the exact same product (pussy). If everyone is selling the same thing, there’s no scarcity, so hypothetically, no seller should feel at all confident that they’re gonna win the sales battle. As a result of that, the sellers SHOULD be bending over backwards to score a sale, but that’s not the case because gringos keep capitulating to the price gouging.

The whole P4P market is f--ked up all around.

From what I noticed chicks who are considered "dimes" are gonna quote the equivalent of 100USD.

That's been the case in almost every country I've been in. Yet I rarely pay more than 40 USD and sometimes as low as 20 USD.

IG has completely changed the game, My GF told me some random Italian was in her DM's trying to holla. If you look through my girl's IG other than one Bikini Pic she's fully dressed. but an hastag of Colombia gets goofies sending dic pics.

I can't stand entitlement and I don't beleieve I should pay more simply because I'm a foriegner.

After the 100 quote Ive taken girls to Brew Bistro but never pulled anything out of there. I lived in Kenya so I know how desparent "slay queens" literally go to nightclubs in packs nursing one drink hoping to find a local or international fool that will accept qoute.

[El_lobo00]

I understand inflation is happening everywhere, but $100 USDquotes pretty much anywhere in Africa is absurd unless you are dealing with high end escorts.

[PoonTangClan]

I understand inflation is happening everywhere, but $100 USDquotes pretty much anywhere in Africa is absurd unless you are dealing with high end escorts.

To keep it 💯, a $100 USD quote anywhere outside of the U.S. in any third world or middle income economy is really absurd when you think about it.

I don’t know where these hoes came up with the idea that their country’s inflation and what they charge should be pegged to the strength of the USD.

The market forces in the P4P game are upside down. Smh.

[PoonTangClan]

I ain't never got quoted no bullshit like this in Africa. I then had dimes for $20. I hope we don't get a uptick in the "ballers" in Africa. They then killed sosua and Cartagena. This just pissed me off on Christmas Eve seeing somebody paying some goofy shit like that in Africa

It's a 17 hour flight from the East Coast to Nairobi the "ballers" are Not gonna f--k up Kenya.

But yeah step a few miles away from Brew Bistro in the Westlands and these chicks living conditions aint on the level with most Haitians in the DR.

But you know something? It’s not just East Coast and/or African-American dudes f--king shit up like I think you’re implying.

Thirsty Indians, Asians, and White dudes are committing the same offenses. They’re probably not in the club making it rain, but they’re overpaying through the nose.

[crazy_canuck]

But you know something? It’s not just East Coast and/or African-American dudes f--king shit up like I think you’re implying.

Thirsty Indians, Asians, and White dudes are committing the same offenses. They’re probably not in the club making it rain, but they’re overpaying through the nose.

yep you're absolutely right ... I don't know if it's still the case but last time I was in Pattaya, it was the koreans and japanese who were over paying the girls in gogo's.
But poon, I am not that old but I realized something regarding travelling and mongering...

1 - you can't stop change: it means no matter what you do, if people are screwing up a good place by overpaying, you won't be able to single handedly counter the overpaying simps ... realize that you are impossibly outnumbered by simps and idiots.

2 - you can't fix stupid: You won't be able to educate people about overpaying ... the vast majority of people don't want to be educated ... the very few who do will come to you when they are ready to be educated ... your time is too precious to be wasted on people who are not worth it.

[lazy_monger]

But you know something? It’s not just East Coast and/or African-American dudes f--king shit up like I think you’re implying.

Thirsty Indians, Asians, and White dudes are committing the same offenses. They’re probably not in the club making it rain, but they’re overpaying through the nose.

yep you're absolutely right ... I don't know if it's still the case but last time I was in Pattaya, it was the koreans and japanese who were over paying the girls in gogo's.
But poon, I am not that old but I realized something regarding travelling and mongering...

1 - you can't stop change: it means no matter what you do, if people are screwing up a good place by overpaying, you won't be able to single handedly counter the overpaying simps ... realize that you are impossibly outnumbered by simps and idiots.

2 - you can't fix stupid: You won't be able to educate people about overpaying ... the vast majority of people don't want to be educated ... the very few who do will come to you when they are ready to be educated ... your time is too precious to be wasted on people who are not worth it.

You are right.  Until the prices rise to the point that a significant amount of the guys are price out of a market, you rarely see a reset.  I have seen it twice but it took the price getting to a point where it just wasn't feasible for both girls and mongers.

[El_lobo00]

But you know something? It’s not just East Coast and/or African-American dudes f--king shit up like I think you’re implying.

Thirsty Indians, Asians, and White dudes are committing the same offenses. They’re probably not in the club making it rain, but they’re overpaying through the nose.

yep you're absolutely right ... I don't know if it's still the case but last time I was in Pattaya, it was the koreans and japanese who were over paying the girls in gogo's.
But poon, I am not that old but I realized something regarding travelling and mongering...

1 - you can't stop change: it means no matter what you do, if people are screwing up a good place by overpaying, you won't be able to single handedly counter the overpaying simps ... realize that you are impossibly outnumbered by simps and idiots.

2 - you can't fix stupid: You won't be able to educate people about overpaying ... the vast majority of people don't want to be educated ... the very few who do will come to you when they are ready to be educated ... your time is too precious to be wasted on people who are not worth it.

You are right.  Until the prices rise to the point that a significant amount of the guys are price out of a market, you rarely see a reset.  I have seen it twice but it took the price getting to a point where it just wasn't feasible for both girls and mongers.

Where did those resets take place?

[Bat Man]

I understand inflation is happening everywhere, but $100 USDquotes pretty much anywhere in Africa is absurd unless you are dealing with high end escorts.

To keep it 💯, a $100 USD quote anywhere outside of the U.S. in any third world or middle income economy is really absurd when you think about it.

I don’t know where these hoes came up with the idea that their country’s inflation and what they charge should be pegged to the strength of the USD.

The market forces in the P4P game are upside down. Smh.

They ask because in out of the way countries most "mongers" Are businessmen  at a nice hotel and they are on an expense account so they live in a world of business class flights, lounges and five star restuarants and hotels.

To keep it a stack if you're staying at the Hyatt you need to not have your gust look and act crazy when coming in.

These dudes ain't "mongers" they occasionally fall on some pussy. Like when Giuliani got caught in that fake interview were he took off his pants. Giuliani tried to shut down the sex industry in New York he's not randomly buying pussy, some one sends him a third year law stendent and female reporters are known to sleep with their sources.

100 buck is nothing to these guys and probably the only time they come out of pocket on their business trips.

The world is very different than Sosua everywhere else in the third world you have your low bottom street walkers and other than that if you want to f--k a girl wearing business casual attire you're gonna pay 100 unless you make a deal with her.

Generally speaking the hoes that hang around Hotel bars usually spend all night standard.

[Bat Man]

I ain't never got quoted no bullshit like this in Africa. I then had dimes for $20. I hope we don't get a uptick in the "ballers" in Africa. They then killed sosua and Cartagena. This just pissed me off on Christmas Eve seeing somebody paying some goofy shit like that in Africa

It's a 17 hour flight from the East Coast to Nairobi the "ballers" are Not gonna f--k up Kenya.

But yeah step a few miles away from Brew Bistro in the Westlands and these chicks living conditions aint on the level with most Haitians in the DR.

But you know something? It’s not just East Coast and/or African-American dudes f--king shit up like I think you’re implying.

Thirsty Indians, Asians, and White dudes are committing the same offenses. They’re probably not in the club making it rain, but they’re overpaying through the nose.

I remember I was in Club elements with some Korean enginners in Dar es Salaam in Tanzania. They had chicks with them.  They're paying for a certain amount of class and chicks to spend as much time as they want with them. They're not (usually) sportsf--king.

Now if you have time and are a savvy monger you can casually meet shoppers in a mall or Uni students strugling to pay tuition or even a beautiful young slum woman who 25 bucks is a king's ransom. But the key is time and experience.

Look at the DR you can pick up almost anywhere on the Island yet people flock to Sosua because everything is in your face and spanish knowledge is not a requirement.

[Bat Man]

But you know something? It’s not just East Coast and/or African-American dudes f--king shit up like I think you’re implying.

Thirsty Indians, Asians, and White dudes are committing the same offenses. They’re probably not in the club making it rain, but they’re overpaying through the nose.

yep you're absolutely right ... I don't know if it's still the case but last time I was in Pattaya, it was the koreans and japanese who were over paying the girls in gogo's.
But poon, I am not that old but I realized something regarding travelling and mongering...

1 - you can't stop change: it means no matter what you do, if people are screwing up a good place by overpaying, you won't be able to single handedly counter the overpaying simps ... realize that you are impossibly outnumbered by simps and idiots.

2 - you can't fix stupid: You won't be able to educate people about overpaying ... the vast majority of people don't want to be educated ... the very few who do will come to you when they are ready to be educated ... your time is too precious to be wasted on people who are not worth it.

exactly when a place is saturated with simps just go to the next town over.  Simp's actually help because even though 20 to 40 dollars will buy a weeks worth of food at the local farmer's market no chick is excited to f--k one dude onet time for 20 dollars but if they same girl knew a girl who met the right simp and put him on the western union send then the chick would take a chance at the small pay from an experienced monger and try to Ram his nose open with her pussy. Her friend gives her the motivation she needs to f--k gringos.

But when it because easy to meet dudes that pay whatever price she qoutes then it's time to move on from that location or open your monger eye to find girls who find themselves in a financial jam.

For example budget mongers know that we're right smack dab into Nate Season
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1VLWu1PUCw


It's christmas eve if a monger is in a hotel or restuarant right now there's single mothers working in that place wishing they could buy their kids better presents, That's where you come in.

I literally had my Home health Aid ask me to send her not money but some medicine that she says isn't available in the DR.

[murano2010]

I ain't never got quoted no bullshit like this in Africa. I then had dimes for $20. I hope we don't get a uptick in the "ballers" in Africa. They then killed sosua and Cartagena. This just pissed me off on Christmas Eve seeing somebody paying some goofy shit like that in Africa

From the other thread on Kenya, I think whoever it was counteroffered with $80 USD, which is still outrageous.

I haven’t traveled to the African continent yet myself, but I was just triggered by how far and wide (globally) this P4P price gouging f--kery has spread. It’s really crazy.

From the debates that have taken place on this forum, the question has always been “who’s really in control?” The buyer or the seller?

As far as I’m concerned, the buyer is in control, because all of the sellers are selling the exact same product (pussy). If everyone is selling the same thing, there’s no scarcity, so hypothetically, no seller should feel at all confident that they’re gonna win the sales battle. As a result of that, the sellers SHOULD be bending over backwards to score a sale, but that’s not the case because gringos keep capitulating to the price gouging.

The whole P4P market is f--ked up all around.

I believe it was my post you may be referring to where I countered a $100 quote with $80 from a Kenyan chick up in Brew Bistro in Nairobi.   This is a clearer perspective on how the money issue went down.   1st off the chick caught me off guard because we were vibing nicely, even talking about doing some things together.   

I didnt make her out to be in hustle mode, until she decided it was time to focus on why she really came there.   That changed my interest from pursuing her.   The $100 USD quote sealed it.       

When I countered with $80, that was just a knee jerk response on my part.   I had no intention on paying anybody $80, and definitely not paying any chick in USD.     It was just a quick counter, with not much thought put into it.  Even if she accepted it, I still wasnt going to take her.  Being that I felt we were done, I went on and paid the drink tab, and I left her there by herself.   Just because she got an $80 counter offer, doesnt mean it was gonna happen.     

My wing man had been to the place a few times, and had taken home chicks on other nights, and not one chick had a problem being paid in their local currency, and all accepted a fair rate.   I arranged to meet a Tinder chick at the mall.   We ate at the Java House, I paid.  And paid for her Uber home.  Next meeting she came over to my airbnb just to smash.     Paid for her Uber coming and going.  Chick didnt eat or drink anything.   Next morning,  I voluntarily put 5000 shilling in her purse. 

She saw it and said thank you, and I said buy some food with it.  And that was that.  We had another lunch date that went well.  And then I had to leave.    Easy going regular chick ( she appeared to me ).