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Re: Cuba Dave DIDN'T Start The Downfall Of Sosua
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2023, 10:06:27 PM »
I think when guys talk downfall of Sosua they mean the quality that was there 10 years ago compared to now the price compared to now the number of places compared to now. Ten years ago you had CMP, Passions, Rumbas D Classicos, D latins After one and the small Casino also the places across the street from Rumba the place mostly Dominican dudes went to can't remember the name. When all those places you had damn near 500 hundred chicks hanging on the street in the smaller bar all over town. Now you got damn Bailees the Casinos and what ever they call the place Rumbas use to be. The smaller bars have maybe a few chicks maybe. Also there might be 100 150 chicks alot of them are from 7 years ago very few new chicks are coming to town I remember when I first came back to Sosua after five years I was like damn I know these chicks.

How the chicks present themselves also change you would have trashy chicks wearing some bullshit years ago but now it's damn Spandex that they wear a few days in a row and just presenting themselves in a poor manner they look like a bunch of streetwalkers before a chick maybe a streetwalker but worn a nice dress they would get themselves right back then. The price increase as well I've seen dudes try to get average chick only for her to say a hundred dollars now back in the day chicks did try to get a hundred dollars only thing they at least were hot now every bum ass chick on the strip will ask for that do they take less yea but they are still over priced for what you get.

So overall I'd say Sosua has worst quality chicks than it did 10 years ago less places to hangout and find them than you did 10 years ago and the price increase as well. The price is really a ymmv but I'd say a 7 or 8 if you can find one in Sosua ain't going for 2000 peso when trash can get that. If someone was to say go to Medellin for the price you pay in Sosua you can get the equivalent or better for half of what you would there.

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Re: Cuba Dave DIDN'T Start The Downfall Of Sosua
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2023, 10:27:44 PM »
Maybe a definition of a downfall of Sosua can simply mean, some men are experiencing the effects of having less leverage with women in the p4p game?   Women exercising showing their leverage by sticking to higher asking prices.  Looking the way they choose to look, even if it turns off a small percentage of the monger population.

Chicks not desperate like the old days, so they dont have to rely on coming to Sosua when they can easily work from their phone.  Which also means, mongers can also use their phones to connect with those women.

Chicks are following the money.  They know guys have more income now where they come from.  They know the exchange rate has skyrocketed since 2010.  So it makes sense that enough women are going to seek hire wages for their time.  Cant expect a majority of chicks to still accept 2000 pesos for ST forever. 

And we cant expect blabbermouth guys to keep quiet about how expensive pussy is where they come from, and how cheap it is in Sosua. 

Still any mongers assessment of Sosua overall is subjective and individualized.   And that can vary day to day, trip to trip.

It's 100% a leverage issue, Think about it back when Classico's was open even the dumbest Dub Dub could click without pointing meaning go to Classico and "pick"the first chick who rubbed his junk.

It was a sportsf--kers paradise they could literally get off the planet drop their bags at the hotel get a cab to D'Latin, CMP, Rumbas or Classicos and thrust till their junk rust. The only better set up was and is Blackbeards where you don't even have to leave the room.

All this "downfall" talk is dub dubs upset that they actually have to go to Bailee's/ Rumbas/ The Casino and get numbers and vet and vibe.

for the hardcore dub dub/ incel simp getting a what's app number at the Copa then having her come to their room at the seabreeze is too much work.

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Re: Cuba Dave DIDN'T Start The Downfall Of Sosua
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2023, 10:38:58 PM »
Another major area where IMO, men may feel they have lost leverage :  Women are better off financially now.   Because enough of them may have several and steady sources of income coming in from foreigners. 

Foreigners buying chicks cars, paying for apts and houses, monthly maintenance income.  Helping chicks with starting and maintaining a business.   So when it comes to mongering in Sosua, mongers are spending more time meeting and accommodating p4p chicks needs and wants, instead of chicks proactively pursuing them due to being poor.   Chicks used to work to buy those things for themselves.  Now, more guys are paying them to f--k, and also paying for stuff that should have come from a chicks earnings.  Her p4p income. 

Chicks are into juggling men more, because their client base is easier to manage using the latest technology.  Guys are subject to sitting around waiting on chicks more,  because chicks have more shit going on.  A lot more lying is going on than ever before to keep mongers in check.  Women are out performing the monger sportf--kers in terms of the ability to juggle their connections.   

You want the fine ass dimes?  How much are you willing to put up with to get with them?   

I've heard amazing tales of dude's simping hard. One guy admitted that her paid a girl 550 for three days in Puerta Plata.

A DR "vet" told me that he met some chicks on Dominican Cupid one staright up asked for 500 bucks before he came to the Island another didn't ask for money up front, but he met her family then in bed in his Airbnb he inadvertantly felt a thigh the chick was uncomfortable felt that things "were moving too fast" and slept in another room.

I don't know what he gave her but he admitted to bring "gifts" .

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Re: Cuba Dave DIDN'T Start The Downfall Of Sosua
« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2023, 10:45:38 PM »
🤷🏾‍♂️ All one has to do is fall back, and let them starve

Dallas,

I agree. If everyone was on the same page, Sosua would change overnight, but sadly, this can never be the case.

The new crop of mongers are simply too thirsty. There are also a massive amount of incels (involuntarily celibate) men amongst them coming to Sosua. They’ll pay damn near any price to get laid. Smh.

exactly, I accompanied a new expats and a supposed "vet" to Medellin to watch these old ass dudes backs and after several days of not scoring I called up some facebook friends.

I tried to talk to one of the dudes to see what they wanted to pay because they were on the fence about smashing.  My chick charged 250K to smash and they didn't f--k but each bitch requested the same money.

They were mad but I said if you just talked to me I would've said there was one charge just to hang out and another charge to f--k but since they left it up in the air they were surprised when the chicas had a hard number in mind.

These are guys who have been mongering over 30 years and the made noob mistakes like this.

The expat wants to go to Cartagena, I'm not looking forward to it.

The problem is too many dudes are click and pointers they let the chick choose them and not the other way around.

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Re: Cuba Dave DIDN'T Start The Downfall Of Sosua
« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2023, 10:56:26 PM »
And how is it, certain characters are blamed directly for contributing to it?   CD or TMD how did they contribute to a downfalll?    If anything,  their contribution may have led to blowing up Sosua, making it more popular.



Sorry, I've gotten very busy with some projects so I haven't had a chance to respond and haven't read through the thread.  I'm just glancing at this post.  I will never contribute anything to TMD because he is a newbie.  Unless I am wrong, he just appeared on the scene within the last 5 years?  Other than that, I don't know much about him.

Also, you said something interesting.  You said, "If anything,  their contribution may have led to blowing up Sosua, making it more popular."  My response could be that "blowing up Sosua, making it more popular" actually plays a role in the demise.

I'll have to go more into depth when I have more time, but basically my focus is on the entire environment/vibe.  Having many more spots to chill in would be just one example.  To give an analogy would be to parallel it with the demise of Times Square from a mongering/sexcapade perspective.  The difference between having Show World where now there is a Smash Burger.
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Re: Cuba Dave DIDN'T Start The Downfall Of Sosua
« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2023, 11:10:12 PM »
🤷🏾‍♂️ All one has to do is fall back, and let them starve

Dallas,

I agree. If everyone was on the same page, Sosua would change overnight, but sadly, this can never be the case.

The new crop of mongers are simply too thirsty. There are also a massive amount of incels (involuntarily celibate) men amongst them coming to Sosua. They’ll pay damn near any price to get laid. Smh.

exactly, I accompanied a new expats and a supposed "vet" to Medellin to watch these old ass dudes backs and after several days of not scoring I called up some facebook friends.

I tried to talk to one of the dudes to see what they wanted to pay because they were on the fence about smashing.  My chick charged 250K to smash and they didn't f--k but each bitch requested the same money.

They were mad but I said if you just talked to me I would've said there was one charge just to hang out and another charge to f--k but since they left it up in the air they were surprised when the chicas had a hard number in mind.

These are guys who have been mongering over 30 years and the made noob mistakes like this.

The expat wants to go to Cartagena, I'm not looking forward to it.

The problem is too many dudes are click and pointers they let the chick choose them and not the other way around.
Never thought about it before. Guys don't knowing when to pull the trigger. Your "Vet" friend could not see want was on offer! What ever the country, when a chica is putting it out there you see it.Other than some hoe town like Sosua, a come on is as subtle as a hand on our arm and a sexy smile, to a hand on your ass when no ones looking. Latin women are not shy!!

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Re: Cuba Dave DIDN'T Start The Downfall Of Sosua
« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2023, 11:10:47 PM »
Every year the space get smaller https://youtu.be/f3PJF0YE-x4?t=238
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Re: Cuba Dave DIDN'T Start The Downfall Of Sosua
« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2023, 11:41:45 PM »
Every year the space get smaller https://youtu.be/f3PJF0YE-x4?t=238
What does Chris have to do with it?

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Re: Cuba Dave DIDN'T Start The Downfall Of Sosua
« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2023, 07:01:47 AM »
We been down four times in the last few months. Just hit Med Columbia last week. Sosua isn't what we were reading about, Med is. Nasty ho action or tasty chill vibes. Take your pick but for the price of admission its easy to see why everyone is heading to Columbia.

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Re: Cuba Dave DIDN'T Start The Downfall Of Sosua
« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2023, 07:17:45 AM »
And how is it, certain characters are blamed directly for contributing to it?   CD or TMD how did they contribute to a downfalll?    If anything,  their contribution may have led to blowing up Sosua, making it more popular.



Sorry, I've gotten very busy with some projects so I haven't had a chance to respond and haven't read through the thread.  I'm just glancing at this post.  I will never contribute anything to TMD because he is a newbie.  Unless I am wrong, he just appeared on the scene within the last 5 years?  Other than that, I don't know much about him.

Also, you said something interesting.  You said, "If anything,  their contribution may have led to blowing up Sosua, making it more popular."  My response could be that "blowing up Sosua, making it more popular" actually plays a role in the demise.

I'll have to go more into depth when I have more time, but basically my focus is on the entire environment/vibe.  Having many more spots to chill in would be just one example.  To give an analogy would be to parallel it with the demise of Times Square from a mongering/sexcapade perspective.  The difference between having Show World where now there is a Smash Burger.

Lol! I know. I remember going to Show World back during the late 80’s and early 90’s and watching porn star like Heather Hunter and Nina Deponca performing on stage. A couple of weeks ago I ate at that Smash Burger and started to reminisce about that spot and what it use to be.

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Re: Cuba Dave DIDN'T Start The Downfall Of Sosua
« Reply #25 on: January 24, 2023, 08:39:45 AM »
🤷🏾‍♂️ All one has to do is fall back, and let them starve

Dallas,

I agree. If everyone was on the same page, Sosua would change overnight, but sadly, this can never be the case.

The new crop of mongers are simply too thirsty. There are also a massive amount of incels (involuntarily celibate) men amongst them coming to Sosua. They’ll pay damn near any price to get laid. Smh.

exactly, I accompanied a new expats and a supposed "vet" to Medellin to watch these old ass dudes backs and after several days of not scoring I called up some facebook friends.

I tried to talk to one of the dudes to see what they wanted to pay because they were on the fence about smashing.  My chick charged 250K to smash and they didn't f--k but each bitch requested the same money.

They were mad but I said if you just talked to me I would've said there was one charge just to hang out and another charge to f--k but since they left it up in the air they were surprised when the chicas had a hard number in mind.

These are guys who have been mongering over 30 years and the made noob mistakes like this.

The expat wants to go to Cartagena, I'm not looking forward to it.

The problem is too many dudes are click and pointers they let the chick choose them and not the other way around.
Never thought about it before. Guys don't knowing when to pull the trigger. Your "Vet" friend could not see want was on offer! What ever the country, when a chica is putting it out there you see it.Other than some hoe town like Sosua, a come on is as subtle as a hand on our arm and a sexy smile, to a hand on your ass when no ones looking. Latin women are not shy!!


He's actually looking for a wife. Not sure why he rolls with mongers and goes to Hoe towns

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Re: Cuba Dave DIDN'T Start The Downfall Of Sosua
« Reply #26 on: January 24, 2023, 09:52:15 AM »

Lol! I know. I remember going to Show World back during the late 80’s and early 90’s and watching porn star like Heather Hunter and Nina Deponca performing on stage. A couple of weeks ago I ate at that Smash Burger and started to reminisce about that spot and what it use to be.

Yeah its crazy!!  People that are too young to know how crazy it was back then would never understand the fun.

I keep seeing people talking about adapting.  We are talking about a Hoe town.  You could tape a $100 bill to your forehead and walk around.  Not sure how much game or skills you really need and what the big adaptation is.  Many of us have traveled all around the world and can make comparisons on many different levels, if we've been around long enough.  The truth is, there are less and less of us that experienced the past every day.  I don't expect new jacks to speak on what they never experienced.  Perhaps some others that don't recognize a problem are themselves part of the problem.

Another analogy could be flight travel.  We've all adapted to getting to the airport 2-3 hours early, the high price of tickets to places like POP, waiting in long security lines, taking off our shoes and clothes and getting patted down, having to discard something that isn't allowed, paying for baggage, tagging our own bags, sitting in smaller seats, paying for decent seats, not getting meals, paying high prices for airport food, showing our vaccination cards or getting tested to fly, wearing facemasks to travel international, etc.  We've adapted.  Doesn't mean we can't recognize and point out the decrease in the quality of the experience.  Perhaps airport travel is more fun and provides more value for some nowadays.  That hasn't been my experience.
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Re: Cuba Dave DIDN'T Start The Downfall Of Sosua
« Reply #27 on: January 24, 2023, 11:43:57 AM »
And how is it, certain characters are blamed directly for contributing to it?   CD or TMD how did they contribute to a downfalll?    If anything,  their contribution may have led to blowing up Sosua, making it more popular.



Sorry, I've gotten very busy with some projects so I haven't had a chance to respond and haven't read through the thread.  I'm just glancing at this post.  I will never contribute anything to TMD because he is a newbie.  Unless I am wrong, he just appeared on the scene within the last 5 years?  Other than that, I don't know much about him.

Also, you said something interesting.  You said, "If anything,  their contribution may have led to blowing up Sosua, making it more popular."  My response could be that "blowing up Sosua, making it more popular" actually plays a role in the demise.

I'll have to go more into depth when I have more time, but basically my focus is on the entire environment/vibe.  Having many more spots to chill in would be just one example.  To give an analogy would be to parallel it with the demise of Times Square from a mongering/sexcapade perspective.  The difference between having Show World where now there is a Smash Burger.
You have probably responded to posts by now, but I'll respond as I read through the thread.  I can see how one could make the argument that certain individuals may have played a role in some form of demise or downfall.  Like venues closing may have played a role.  In how chicas represented themselves (wardrobe, style, body art and enhancements, hair etc)  demands & expectations for their time, and how a negative vibe may play a role to what is perceived as a downfall or demise of Sosua.   

But then again, I am still not quite feeling the idea of characterizing Sosua that way as if Sosua in it's current state fits everybodies reality.   Monger representation is not a monolithic existence.    And I was saying early on.  IMO a downfall probably should only be recognized as an individual assessment.   Not trying to lump or pigeon hole everyone that comes to Sosua as having the same experience, assessment or perception. 

Many of us who have been coming for many years have the luxury of knowing how things were 8 or more years ago.   But what about the guys who started coming here when they didnt see any of what we saw? 

Like I used to hear, you cant miss what you cant measure.  If a dudes point of reference is seeing all of the venues we talked about as already closed, they never experienced the way chicks used to be, Never experienced the much lower prices and demands from chicas, what downfall or demise are they relating to?

Here are dudes that have gone through hell where they come from dealing with their own women.  They eventually come to find out that there are places you can go and pay for legal pussy without being arrested for it?   Women you can greet or talk to on the street, that will answer you back. 

These chicks may have some of the same characteristics of the chicks back home.   But in Sosua, they look 2 to 3 times better, and 20 to 40 yrs younger.   They both got spandex, fake hair, tatted up, butt and breast surgery, bad attitude, high expectations of being compensated just because a man is showing interest.

With all of that going on, what downfall or demise are those guys experiencing?   If anything, Sosua chicks make a lot of guys happier than from where they come from.  And were not talking about 100 guys.  These newer cats are in the hundreds ( several ), and they are of different age groups.   Meaning, a lot of old cats have only recently discovered mongering abroad.  Theyve been busy pedestalizing women where they come from.   

Now after their release from sex prison, a place like Sosua appears to be more like a paradise, not necessarily seen through the lens or perspective of those of us that like to reminisce of the past.   

Even for those that fit that old school category, not all share the downfall/demise perspective.  Many accept the fact that the things that changed is just something to expect.  And that maybe one of the best ways to deal with it, is adapt to how things are.   Change one's monger style/habits.  Stick with tried and true regulars the way people value their used cars instead of going out to pay a ton of money on a new one. 

If going to clubs or brothels was never your thing,  then certain closures of venues like that might mean nothing to you.   

Take heed to the fact, that the main value for coming still exists, and that is,  the ability to monger without getting penalized or shamed.   HERE!
« Last Edit: January 24, 2023, 11:56:31 AM by murano2010 »
Where you stand on the issue depends on where you sit.  The words enough, some, many , to whom it applies to, does not mean ALL of any people, places or things.  If you cant, dont or wont learn from friends, family or your peers, dont worry the locals will teach you, and you will learn the hard way.

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Re: Cuba Dave DIDN'T Start The Downfall Of Sosua
« Reply #28 on: January 24, 2023, 12:44:45 PM »
I’ve been here a few weeks. In my opinion what’s different now is that Sosua is no longer a party town. When D’Latin was open you’d have dozens of people on the floor dancing. Less so in Clasicos yet still folks we’re having fun dancing and intermingling. What you have now is just weird. The girls are sitting around pretty much waiting for guys to get drunk or horny enough to build up the courage to make an offer. You can get laid here, but the days of joyous partying is a thing of the past. The vibe is more strip club now with the exception that the ladies are not providing or need to provide much if any entertainment.

And to those who doubt it 6,000 peso ST in the casino is a lot more common than most of us would believe.
« Last Edit: January 24, 2023, 01:44:04 PM by Jazzy2019 »

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Re: Cuba Dave DIDN'T Start The Downfall Of Sosua
« Reply #29 on: January 24, 2023, 12:44:54 PM »
Yeah its crazy!!  People that are too young to know how crazy it was back then would never understand the fun.

I keep seeing people talking about adapting.  We are talking about a Hoe town.  You could tape a $100 bill to your forehead and walk around.  Not sure how much game or skills you really need and what the big adaptation is.  Perhaps some others that don't recognize a problem are themselves part of the problem.

No matter where people are in life.  There will be people that will talk about adapting to whatever they are faced with.  That also means people will always be exposed to people who talk about adapting.  And people who have adapted will keep hearing people acknowledging or complaining about how things used to be and how things have changed.    Do they each have the right to their own POV?   Is it possible that each may share each others POV?   Thats a reality too.   Nobody should need to look at this issue as a US against them issue.       

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Another analogy could be flight travel.  We've all adapted to getting to the airport 2-3 hours early, the high price of tickets to places like POP, waiting in long security lines, taking off our shoes and clothes and getting patted down, having to discard something that isn't allowed, paying for baggage, tagging our own bags, sitting in smaller seats, paying for decent seats, not getting meals, paying high prices for airport food, showing our vaccination cards or getting tested to fly, wearing facemasks to travel international, etc.  We've adapted. 

Doesn't mean we can't recognize and point out the decrease in the quality of the experience.  Perhaps airport travel is more fun and provides more value for some nowadays.  That hasn't been my experience.
When it comes to recognizing and pointing out a decrease in the quality of the experience".   That does not need to be done as a "WE" thing.   It's perfectly alright for individuals to recognize and point out a decrease in quality for their own experience.  After all,  we can only think in one head.   Someone said on here a while ago.  ( not exactly ) What one eats doesnt make somebody else shit.   

On one hand I find it interesting and enjoyable hearing testimonials from other old school cats.  I can relate to what they remember.  But on the other hand, I feel it would be wrong for anybody to impose their assessment on what Sosua is supposed to represent for everybody.  And if they dont see it the way others see it, they may be assumed to be in the "cant recognize" it category.   Instead, it may be more like some choose their own reality of what Sosua's status means to them, through their own lens, instead of somebody else's.   

When it comes to those in favor of adapting.  I just see it as another form of attesting to the current status, but at the same time , communicating what they did in order to circumvent any perceived negatives.  What they share can also be considered encouraging feedback that may be useful to others.     
Where you stand on the issue depends on where you sit.  The words enough, some, many , to whom it applies to, does not mean ALL of any people, places or things.  If you cant, dont or wont learn from friends, family or your peers, dont worry the locals will teach you, and you will learn the hard way.

 







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