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Re: Cuba Dave DIDN'T Start The Downfall Of Sosua
« Reply #30 on: January 24, 2023, 04:23:02 PM »
I’ve been here a few weeks. In my opinion what’s different now is that Sosua is no longer a party town. When D’Latin was open you’d have dozens of people on the floor dancing. Less so in Clasicos yet still folks we’re having fun dancing and intermingling. What you have now is just weird. The girls are sitting around pretty much waiting for guys to get drunk or horny enough to build up the courage to make an offer. You can get laid here, but the days of joyous partying is a thing of the past. The vibe is more strip club now with the exception that the ladies are not providing or need to provide much if any entertainment.

And to those who doubt it 6,000 peso ST in the casino is a lot more common than most of us would believe.
You have accessed that the reason why some chicks are sitting around waiting, is because some guys need to build up the courage to make an offer.

I would say that reality does exist.  But mainly to whom it applies to.  Here's another reality, one that goes deeper than that, and I think may be more likely than the example you gave. 

From my observations, my own experiences and from sharing feedback with other guys.   The reason why a lot of chicas may be sitting waiting on guys to make a move, is because over the months and years of coming to Sosua, a lot of guys have much more intel on many of the chicas that come to Sosua.  Many now have a better grasp on what many of those chicas are capable of.   And much of it is not all good.   

It's also become common that guys share intel on what chicks be asking or demanding.  The ones consistently asking/demanding USD and $100 and up for ST.  They also share info on who were lousy in bed, has a bad attitude, smelled bad , who stole sumthing, or who gave some other cat some grief.  Any info causing a bunch of dudes to not go rushing in to hire chicks with a rep, makes total sense to me.     

So for all of the cats that see the same chicks day in and day out, and also sharing this info with their new guys,  a lot of those chicks will be pre vetted while they are sitting waiting to be hired.  So technically,  many of them chicks may sit around longer because enough cats know enough to leave them alone.   Those cats may very well be sitting there admiring the view and being flirtatious of the chicks that are there,  but may have zero intentions or very hesitant in hiring them.   Instead, they can take their time until they see a chica they are willing to step to. 

Another thing to take into consideration.  Many cats that show up to venues where a bunch of chicks are posted up there, are not necessarily in pursuit of a getting laid right there and then.  Man could have already had a session, and doesnt need one just because he has women in front of him looking for work.   Oh they may flirt and take numbers.  But that doesnt mean they are there to follow through.   Many cats like taking numbers, and then when they feel like checking out the chick,  then they engage.   

Or they exchange numbers, and then let the chica step to them 1st.  Why?  Because then a dude knows for sure that the chick is ready to earn some money.  At that point the ball is in the guys court.  She can quote a price, and he can counter.  She can refuse, and he can say no problem.  You have my number,  when you are ready let me know.  That is how a lot of cats roll.   They dont ALL demonstrate being thirsty and have to pull a chick from a venue, just because a lot of women are there waiting to be hired.

And one other reason is, guys are smart enough not to put themselves in the position of greeting a chick and the chick plopping their asses at the guys table expecting drinks or meals.  And thats exactly what some chicks will try to do.  Or plop down because the guy let him, and then the chick acts like shes hired.

Point being.  Mongers need to be understood from many different motivations/perspectives that may apply.  Not just seeing them as needing courage to approach a prostitute. 
« Last Edit: January 24, 2023, 04:27:24 PM by murano2010 »
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Re: Cuba Dave DIDN'T Start The Downfall Of Sosua
« Reply #31 on: January 24, 2023, 04:44:03 PM »
Few observations from the last few days, on PC and DR Rossen,if you post up at your favorite spot, you can observe,   some of the chicas strut by like your not even there,  they seem like the harden pros that possibly have a roster of gringos, other chicas actually glance at you on the way by .others will come right up to you and give you the speel ficky ficky  grab your balls ect all depends how hungry they are .as a vet you can kinda tell the old pros and also if its a newbie chica. once in a while a chica will actually intoduce her selfe in a non pushy way,,,as of latley not much day time chicas on the stroll. less haitians due to the imagracion police, in fact my regular chica got pulled over on her moto got hauled to the police station, 5000 pesos later she got released! the heats on for the haitian chicas, now once it its 6 pm then a good amount of chicas are out at the regular spots,,,,also less week end warriors be safe sirs !

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Re: Cuba Dave DIDN'T Start The Downfall Of Sosua
« Reply #32 on: January 24, 2023, 08:44:59 PM »
🤷🏾‍♂️ All one has to do is fall back, and let them starve

Dallas,

I agree. If everyone was on the same page, Sosua would change overnight, but sadly, this can never be the case.

The new crop of mongers are simply too thirsty. There are also a massive amount of incels (involuntarily celibate) men amongst them coming to Sosua. They’ll pay damn near any price to get laid. Smh.

exactly, I accompanied a new expats and a supposed "vet" to Medellin to watch these old ass dudes backs and after several days of not scoring I called up some facebook friends.

I tried to talk to one of the dudes to see what they wanted to pay because they were on the fence about smashing.  My chick charged 250K to smash and they didn't f--k but each bitch requested the same money.

They were mad but I said if you just talked to me I would've said there was one charge just to hang out and another charge to f--k but since they left it up in the air they were surprised when the chicas had a hard number in mind.

These are guys who have been mongering over 30 years and the made noob mistakes like this.

The expat wants to go to Cartagena, I'm not looking forward to it.

The problem is too many dudes are click and pointers they let the chick choose them and not the other way around.
Never thought about it before. Guys don't knowing when to pull the trigger. Your "Vet" friend could not see want was on offer! What ever the country, when a chica is putting it out there you see it.Other than some hoe town like Sosua, a come on is as subtle as a hand on our arm and a sexy smile, to a hand on your ass when no ones looking. Latin women are not shy!!

The problem is he's a shy looking for love in all the wrong places kind of guy that we all talk about. Homie is clicked in with veterans and expats and still gets played.

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Re: Cuba Dave DIDN'T Start The Downfall Of Sosua
« Reply #33 on: January 24, 2023, 08:50:49 PM »
We been down four times in the last few months. Just hit Med Columbia last week. Sosua isn't what we were reading about, Med is. Nasty ho action or tasty chill vibes. Take your pick but for the price of admission its easy to see why everyone is heading to Columbia.

the COP is 4750 last I checked as opposed the DOP being like 54 to one. That alone sets Colombia apart. the infrastucture is better, more women, more to do, more reliable power, potable water, better weather and overall cheaper especially in food, lodging and women.

All that being said you just can't beat the availabilty of Dominican women, also zero flaking, friendly people, friendlier expats,  more american brands and much less chance of being killed.

If I were looking to expat I'd choose Colombia, If I was a sportsf--king Dub Dub  I'd go to the DR

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Re: Cuba Dave DIDN'T Start The Downfall Of Sosua
« Reply #34 on: January 24, 2023, 08:59:20 PM »
And how is it, certain characters are blamed directly for contributing to it?   CD or TMD how did they contribute to a downfalll?    If anything,  their contribution may have led to blowing up Sosua, making it more popular.



Sorry, I've gotten very busy with some projects so I haven't had a chance to respond and haven't read through the thread.  I'm just glancing at this post.  I will never contribute anything to TMD because he is a newbie.  Unless I am wrong, he just appeared on the scene within the last 5 years?  Other than that, I don't know much about him.

Also, you said something interesting.  You said, "If anything,  their contribution may have led to blowing up Sosua, making it more popular."  My response could be that "blowing up Sosua, making it more popular" actually plays a role in the demise.

I'll have to go more into depth when I have more time, but basically my focus is on the entire environment/vibe.  Having many more spots to chill in would be just one example.  To give an analogy would be to parallel it with the demise of Times Square from a mongering/sexcapade perspective.  The difference between having Show World where now there is a Smash Burger.
You have probably responded to posts by now, but I'll respond as I read through the thread.  I can see how one could make the argument that certain individuals may have played a role in some form of demise or downfall.  Like venues closing may have played a role.  In how chicas represented themselves (wardrobe, style, body art and enhancements, hair etc)  demands & expectations for their time, and how a negative vibe may play a role to what is perceived as a downfall or demise of Sosua.   

But then again, I am still not quite feeling the idea of characterizing Sosua that way as if Sosua in it's current state fits everybodies reality.   Monger representation is not a monolithic existence.    And I was saying early on.  IMO a downfall probably should only be recognized as an individual assessment.   Not trying to lump or pigeon hole everyone that comes to Sosua as having the same experience, assessment or perception. 

Many of us who have been coming for many years have the luxury of knowing how things were 8 or more years ago.   But what about the guys who started coming here when they didnt see any of what we saw? 

Like I used to hear, you cant miss what you cant measure.  If a dudes point of reference is seeing all of the venues we talked about as already closed, they never experienced the way chicks used to be, Never experienced the much lower prices and demands from chicas, what downfall or demise are they relating to?

Here are dudes that have gone through hell where they come from dealing with their own women.  They eventually come to find out that there are places you can go and pay for legal pussy without being arrested for it?   Women you can greet or talk to on the street, that will answer you back. 

These chicks may have some of the same characteristics of the chicks back home.   But in Sosua, they look 2 to 3 times better, and 20 to 40 yrs younger.   They both got spandex, fake hair, tatted up, butt and breast surgery, bad attitude, high expectations of being compensated just because a man is showing interest.

With all of that going on, what downfall or demise are those guys experiencing?   If anything, Sosua chicks make a lot of guys happier than from where they come from.  And were not talking about 100 guys.  These newer cats are in the hundreds ( several ), and they are of different age groups.   Meaning, a lot of old cats have only recently discovered mongering abroad.  Theyve been busy pedestalizing women where they come from.   

Now after their release from sex prison, a place like Sosua appears to be more like a paradise, not necessarily seen through the lens or perspective of those of us that like to reminisce of the past.   

Even for those that fit that old school category, not all share the downfall/demise perspective.  Many accept the fact that the things that changed is just something to expect.  And that maybe one of the best ways to deal with it, is adapt to how things are.   Change one's monger style/habits.  Stick with tried and true regulars the way people value their used cars instead of going out to pay a ton of money on a new one. 

If going to clubs or brothels was never your thing,  then certain closures of venues like that might mean nothing to you.   

Take heed to the fact, that the main value for coming still exists, and that is,  the ability to monger without getting penalized or shamed.   HERE!

They say in Real estate it's all about Location Location Location, The DR is like 90 minutes away from Miami, You could stop there if you wanted to talk about the value of Sosua and why it hasn't "fell".

I'm not a Sue fan but I don't like casas and I never been to Classico's.

I can't miss what I never had.

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Re: Cuba Dave DIDN'T Start The Downfall Of Sosua
« Reply #35 on: January 24, 2023, 09:15:00 PM »
I’ve been here a few weeks. In my opinion what’s different now is that Sosua is no longer a party town. When D’Latin was open you’d have dozens of people on the floor dancing. Less so in Clasicos yet still folks we’re having fun dancing and intermingling. What you have now is just weird. The girls are sitting around pretty much waiting for guys to get drunk or horny enough to build up the courage to make an offer. You can get laid here, but the days of joyous partying is a thing of the past. The vibe is more strip club now with the exception that the ladies are not providing or need to provide much if any entertainment.

And to those who doubt it 6,000 peso ST in the casino is a lot more common than most of us would believe.
You have accessed that the reason why some chicks are sitting around waiting, is because some guys need to build up the courage to make an offer.

I would say that reality does exist.  But mainly to whom it applies to.  Here's another reality, one that goes deeper than that, and I think may be more likely than the example you gave. 

From my observations, my own experiences and from sharing feedback with other guys.   The reason why a lot of chicas may be sitting waiting on guys to make a move, is because over the months and years of coming to Sosua, a lot of guys have much more intel on many of the chicas that come to Sosua.  Many now have a better grasp on what many of those chicas are capable of.   And much of it is not all good.   

It's also become common that guys share intel on what chicks be asking or demanding.  The ones consistently asking/demanding USD and $100 and up for ST.  They also share info on who were lousy in bed, has a bad attitude, smelled bad , who stole sumthing, or who gave some other cat some grief.  Any info causing a bunch of dudes to not go rushing in to hire chicks with a rep, makes total sense to me.     

So for all of the cats that see the same chicks day in and day out, and also sharing this info with their new guys,  a lot of those chicks will be pre vetted while they are sitting waiting to be hired.  So technically,  many of them chicks may sit around longer because enough cats know enough to leave them alone.   Those cats may very well be sitting there admiring the view and being flirtatious of the chicks that are there,  but may have zero intentions or very hesitant in hiring them.   Instead, they can take their time until they see a chica they are willing to step to. 

Another thing to take into consideration.  Many cats that show up to venues where a bunch of chicks are posted up there, are not necessarily in pursuit of a getting laid right there and then.  Man could have already had a session, and doesnt need one just because he has women in front of him looking for work.   Oh they may flirt and take numbers.  But that doesnt mean they are there to follow through.   Many cats like taking numbers, and then when they feel like checking out the chick,  then they engage.   

Or they exchange numbers, and then let the chica step to them 1st.  Why?  Because then a dude knows for sure that the chick is ready to earn some money.  At that point the ball is in the guys court.  She can quote a price, and he can counter.  She can refuse, and he can say no problem.  You have my number,  when you are ready let me know.  That is how a lot of cats roll.   They dont ALL demonstrate being thirsty and have to pull a chick from a venue, just because a lot of women are there waiting to be hired.

And one other reason is, guys are smart enough not to put themselves in the position of greeting a chick and the chick plopping their asses at the guys table expecting drinks or meals.  And thats exactly what some chicks will try to do.  Or plop down because the guy let him, and then the chick acts like shes hired.

Point being.  Mongers need to be understood from many different motivations/perspectives that may apply.  Not just seeing them as needing courage to approach a prostitute.

As an expat I never call women they call me and I've learned to say La proxima semana and if a girl calls me I always take a 20% discount.

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Re: Cuba Dave DIDN'T Start The Downfall Of Sosua
« Reply #36 on: January 24, 2023, 09:58:57 PM »
I think another factor that people don’t realize is that Sosua’s downfall is also self-inflicted.

Many here would agree that Sosua’s P4P rate hike plays a huge part in Sosua’s perceived decline, but that rate hike can’t be solely attributed to external factors like monger simps, weekend warriors, etc. The chicas themselves, mongers aside, caused that too.

As Sosua’s popularity increased and more lower-rated looking chicas began flocking to the spot in huge numbers to get their piece of the monetary P4P pie, the higher-rated looking chicas took notice and became offended that chicas THEY perceived as being less attractive, were receiving the SAME pay rate as they did. Their egos wouldn’t accept it, so the higher-rated chicas began separating themselves with a higher price rate quote, and chica price rate quote inflation was born.

After a while, this created a trickle-down effect. When the lower rated chicas and the rats started hearing whispers about what the better looking chicas were quoting (and getting), they followed suit and took a stab at throwing those high rate quotes out there also. When the lower-rated chicas started achieving success in the same area, the higher-rated chicas started leaving. If bum bitches and rat chicas were gonna get the same money as they did, the higher-rated chicas didn’t want to be seen standing next to the bum bitches and rats while this was happening, and this is the reason why many high-quality looking chicas have departed Sosua.

Sosua was not only overrun & spoiled by simps, newbies, and weekend warriors, but also by a huge influx of bum bitches and rats which in turn drove out the big ego dimes.
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Re: Cuba Dave DIDN'T Start The Downfall Of Sosua
« Reply #37 on: January 24, 2023, 11:48:34 PM »
I think another factor that people don’t realize is that Sosua’s downfall is also self-inflicted.

Many here would agree that Sosua’s P4P rate hike plays a huge part in Sosua’s perceived decline, but that rate hike can’t be solely attributed to external factors like monger simps, weekend warriors, etc. The chicas themselves, mongers aside, caused that too.

As Sosua’s popularity increased and more lower-rated looking chicas began flocking to the spot in huge numbers to get their piece of the monetary P4P pie, the higher-rated looking chicas took notice and became offended that chicas THEY perceived as being less attractive, were receiving the SAME pay rate as they did. Their egos wouldn’t accept it, so the higher-rated chicas began separating themselves with a higher price rate quote, and chica price rate quote inflation was born.

After a while, this created a trickle-down effect. When the lower rated chicas and the rats started hearing whispers about what the better looking chicas were quoting (and getting), they followed suit and took a stab at throwing those high rate quotes out there also. When the lower-rated chicas started achieving success in the same area, the higher-rated chicas started leaving. If bum bitches and rat chicas were gonna get the same money as they did, the higher-rated chicas didn’t want to be seen standing next to the bum bitches and rats while this was happening, and this is the reason why many high-quality looking chicas have departed Sosua.

Sosua was not only overrun & spoiled by simps, newbies, and weekend warriors, but also by a huge influx of bum bitches and rats which in turn drove out the big ego dimes.

And all of this was able to go down smoothly because of Ahnvee. Every chick from a 4 to a 10 were in one place, so there was no separate location to create a pay hierarchy. Also, the maximum amount a chica would ask
increased by $100 every Superbowl. In two weeks it'll be up to what $600 for an overnight?

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Re: Cuba Dave DIDN'T Start The Downfall Of Sosua
« Reply #38 on: January 25, 2023, 06:16:47 AM »
We been down four times in the last few months. Just hit Med Columbia last week. Sosua isn't what we were reading about, Med is. Nasty ho action or tasty chill vibes. Take your pick but for the price of admission its easy to see why everyone is heading to Columbia.

the COP is 4750 last I checked as opposed the DOP being like 54 to one. That alone sets Colombia apart. the infrastucture is better, more women, more to do, more reliable power, potable water, better weather and overall cheaper especially in food, lodging and women.

All that being said you just can't beat the availabilty of Dominican women, also zero flaking, friendly people, friendlier expats,  more american brands and much less chance of being killed.

If I were looking to expat I'd choose Colombia, If I was a sportsf--king Dub Dub  I'd go to the DR
My visit to Colombia was late Jan 2020 to Feb 2020 ( pre pandemic ).  I stayed 29 days.  I wanted to see if Colombia was a place where I may want to live.  Full or part time.

I stayed in an airbnb in Medellin ( Laureles area ).   17 days in, I travelled to Cartagena for 9 days, before coming back to my airbnb to finish my vac.    What you say is true about the infrastructure, more to do, more women etc. 

Being there, none of those things mattered that much to me for any long term plans. Laureles was a beautiful area and neighborhood.  TBH, I didnt feel like I blended in with the locals there.  Not even when I would go downtown, or to Pablado area to connect with my buddies staying in that area.   The expats I connected with were great, but they very few in numbers.   And not always available.   

For me, much of the food in Medellin or Cartagena was not to my liking.  In my limited travels it was difficult to find meals,  like I would get in the DR.  Like chicken with the skin on it.  In Colombia most chicken I saw was skinless.   A lot of food lacked flavor, and often no condiments would be on the table.   
I wanted to have certain food in my airbnb, but when I went to the market, I couldnt find stuff that I would normally be able to get in the DR or the states. 

Even in the Philippines or Thailand the selection of food I liked was more attainable.   Food is a big item for me if I am going to consider a place to live. 

As for the women?  I was not motivated to pursue any women from just being out an about.  I dont like casas, or clubs.  Just like I only went to Classico once w/date, and only went to CMP and La Passions to show guys what it was like.  For me, it's been freelancers, part time pros my whole monger/expat career.   

It wasnt until I got to Cartagena where I started to like the scene more.  As beautiful as it was, I still did not see myself choosing to live there.  Because the food problem was still the same.  The town looked like a tourist town, not a place for me to live.  As for women?   There were plenty of that.  But Im not a thirsty ninja at this time in my life.  I can get my needs met back home in Sosua, where the fish jump in the boat.

( In Sosua ) Much smaller playground in which to have fun in.  Much more like minded people of all cultures to socialize with.  A much more safe environment where you have civil and tourist police as some measure of control over the locals.   I dont think the use of scoplamine by Sosua chicks would get much play in Sosua before all hell would break loose. 

Sosua having that neighborhood/small town feel.  Plus I feel I can relate to or feel like I can blend in with DR folks/culture outside of a p4p environment.   As raggedy as the DR infrastructure is.  At times it doesnt always seem as bad as it used to be.  The DR and Sosua have progressed some over the years.   I dont have a water problem, we have a generator on premises with inverters in each unit.   

More paved streets.  Dining in Sosua is pretty good. Selection of groceries is pretty good.  As for the women?  Like I said,  the fish jump in the boat.  I have only one dick.  It will go into any hole of a chick I find attractive.  I dont have any personal score to settle by going for specific women in a certain country.   

The idea is to thrive in a place that is affordable, socially stimulating, healthy enough to live there, can get my bio needs taken care of.......and located where it's easy for me to travel elsewhere.   I recall my connection in Bogota , and how the customs/immigration agent got testy with me just because I didnt quite understand him.   He said something smart about, you going to Colombia and you dont know Spanish.  I could have told him, that maybe if he wasnt mumbling I might have understood him, like I have with other Colombians.  But I wanted to make my connection. 

Shit I was used to DR Spanish, I wasnt used to hearing Colombians speak.  It was at that moment ( my transit from Bogota  to MDE ) that I knew I was about to learn whether or not I would like being in Colombia.  As it turned out, that agent was just one asshole.  I met a lot of nice Colombians during my 29 day stay.   Nice place to visit, but I wasnt sold on the possibility of living there.  I was good, in my shithole called Sosua. 
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Re: Cuba Dave DIDN'T Start The Downfall Of Sosua
« Reply #39 on: January 25, 2023, 06:42:37 AM »
I think another factor that people don’t realize is that Sosua’s downfall is also self-inflicted.

Many here would agree that Sosua’s P4P rate hike plays a huge part in Sosua’s perceived decline, but that rate hike can’t be solely attributed to external factors like monger simps, weekend warriors, etc. The chicas themselves, mongers aside, caused that too.


Awww man, you know damn well assigning appropriate blame/responsibility to women/prostitutes ( to whom it applies to ) is off limits.   

All jokes aside, you are so correct on the issues women/prostitutes are dealing with, is self inflicted.  Too often men/mongers keep getting full blame for what women do, without ever giving women/prostitutes any scrutiny in playing a role in the p4p status in Sosua.

I see how what you described may be orchestrated among the chicas.  Other things comes to mind as well.  All the thievery that chicks have done to guys.  All of the bait and switching many of them have done.  All of the nasty shit like going to a mans spot on their periods,  then giving the man grief if he doesnt pay her in full.

All of the drama some chicks cause instead of just being fair in their business dealings.  But now that so many mongers know what to expect from enough of these chicks, that knowledge has changed the way mongers have to do business.  Many just dont trust a lot of these muggs, and thats why some cats have reservations about hiring some of these chicks.

The amount of lies that these chicks tell is reason enough not to trust any of them or hire them.  The fake pictures sent to guys dont help the p4p market.  The pics of empty refrigerators doesnt help the p4p market.  The RFM's to guys that know that a chick is trying to get money from several guys, that doesnt help the p4p market.    The Monicas in the p4p market dont represent good business.   

Just the hood rat, no class having chicks walking around or sitting up in Kings, many of them are a turn off to a lot of dudes, except for the sex appeal.  Thats why many cats dont expect or even want GFE with some of these chicks no matter how fine they are.  f--k, pay and get the f--k out.  Thats how the chicks operate.  They f--k, as soon a man nuts, they are out of the door.   One thing that behavior should do for some cats.  Is help a cat realize that those muggs dont really give a f--k about him.  All you represent to them, is a payment.   

Many of todays DR chicks in the p4p game are incorrigible to the 10th power.   They have a massive impact on the p4p market.   

Chicks back in the day, many had the personality where one wouldnt mind seeing them again and again,  or wifing them up a few days.  Or even taking them out to dinner to Cabarete. 

No wonder why enough chicks have to charge $100 or more.  Many are not worth hiring again.  All they have is the look.  Back in the day chicks routinely accepted the standard rate/range.   That meant more guys were less concerned about a chicks performance.   No heavy loss when you only risked a few pesos to test a chick. But risking $150 to $200 just to test a chick? 

Many cats had no problem rehiring a chick even if the 1st session wasnt up to par.  Thats how some women made their money.  Through cumulative work, satisfactory work, and referrals.   Nowadays, too many of these chicks want to f--k less and get paid more.   The reps they earn will reflect on the lack of referrals they accumulate.   Thats why many have to sit much longer than they need to, just to score a customer.  They have to rely on a mans lust or drunkenness because many dont have anything else of substance to attract more business. 
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Re: Cuba Dave DIDN'T Start The Downfall Of Sosua
« Reply #40 on: January 25, 2023, 07:49:13 AM »
All facts….
How many remember when a chica would make eye contact, ( staring so hard at you that you could feel her staring)..wink or smile at you to get your attention.

Once she saw she had your attention, she would walk over to you to introduce herself. Giving the guy an opportunity to invite her to sit down or straight up make her a offer.

Guys where not running from table to table approaching girls, it was the girls doing the approaching (they where the ones working, and where good at it).

Now many girls are sitting staring in there phone, do not know the art of making eye contact and not sending signals that it’s you, I want to do business with.

I don’t approach the girls, (and I’m damn sure not afraid).. If  she’s handling her business (putting out proper hoe signals) I call her over to see if we both have the same thought pattern…. My money for her pussy at my quoted price.
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Re: Cuba Dave DIDN'T Start The Downfall Of Sosua
« Reply #41 on: January 25, 2023, 07:57:29 AM »
The increase and likelihood for chicks to be carrying weapons on them.  Ready to slice a monger, or another chick.  Chicks that have set up some foreigners to be robbed or killed.  That hasnt helped the p4p market.   The years of law enforcement chasing, harassing, arresting and abusing chicas.  That hasnt helped the p4p market.    Law enforcement and the social construct not holding women/prostitutes accountable for their actions is a major factor to consider.

With the freedoms from accountability that women have, many of these chicks get comfortable with the idea that they can get away with anything towards a foreigner.    With no one and no authority providing a balance, chicks know they can do a lot of damage to a person or property,  even when they are in the wrong. ( Monica ) 
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Re: Cuba Dave DIDN'T Start The Downfall Of Sosua
« Reply #42 on: January 25, 2023, 08:14:32 AM »
All facts….
How many remember when a chica would make eye contact, ( staring so hard at you that you could feel her staring)..wink or smile at you to get your attention.

Once she saw she had your attention, she would walk over to you to introduce herself. Giving the guy an opportunity to invite her to sit down or straight up make her a offer.

Guys where not running from table to table approaching girls, it was the girls doing the approaching (they where the ones working, and where good at it).

Now many girls are sitting staring in there phone, do not know the art of making eye contact and not sending signals that it’s you, I want to do business with.

I don’t approach the girls, (and I’m damn sure not afraid).. If  she’s handling her business (putting out proper hoe signals) I call her over to see if we both have the same thought pattern…. My money for her pussy at my quoted price.
Even some of the chicks patrolling the beach or sitting at the beach can be like that.   Sitting there like prima donas.  No eye contact, mean mugging, possibly staring into their phones, or acting standoffish.   

So when I see guys going about their business socializing with their friends, ignoring chicks like that, not making moves.......I dont see any problem with that.  Whats good for the goose is good for the gander.  If chicks are consistently sitting somewhere for hours not making any money, it probably has something to do with her own business model not working for her.   

And if enough guys knew better,  they might be better off selecting from a pool of women that they might not be immediately drawn to over the so called "quality" "dime" chicks.   Quality or dime in appearance,  but not necessarily quality or a dime in terms of personality and/or vibe to go along with the look.   
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Re: Cuba Dave DIDN'T Start The Downfall Of Sosua
« Reply #43 on: January 25, 2023, 08:47:16 AM »
Speaking of scoplamine.   How much have all of the reports of foreigners and locals getting robbed ,drugged or killed in Colombia affected the p4p market?  Is p4p tourism ( in certain parts of Colombia ) leaning towards a downfall or demise?  How many cats who have been to Colombia or have never been, now have decided it may not be worth going? ( or going back ).   Guys bypassing going to Colombia altogether in favor of other places?
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Re: Cuba Dave DIDN'T Start The Downfall Of Sosua
« Reply #44 on: January 25, 2023, 09:09:24 AM »


As an expat I never call women they call me and I've learned to say La proxima semana and if a girl calls me I always take a 20% discount.
Most of the women and most of the time, my regulars and prospects made it their business to contact me to get my time and my payment.  For long term absences, all I had to do is text hola como esta, and the chicks that were interested and available, they stepped up to the plate.  Or at least made the effort to arrange a rendezvous. 

Like I said before,  here, the fish jump in the boat.   In less than two weeks when Super Bowl comes,  most of my regulars will be ghost.  That time will be my vacation.  Of my wallet and my loins.   

Where you stand on the issue depends on where you sit.  The words enough, some, many , to whom it applies to, does not mean ALL of any people, places or things.  If you cant, dont or wont learn from friends, family or your peers, dont worry the locals will teach you, and you will learn the hard way.

 

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