What happen to Sports Bar 2413 ?

[HitandRun]

I am gonna go with unforced error.

Clearly no business plan. Way overbuilt, terrible location chosen because of a rumour, poor design with no off street parking, a failure.

Claiming he could not make a go of it because he refused to come up with the pizzo is a bit of a stretch and probably his way of saving face over the massive f--k up.

It should be no issue to cover ALL the bills if the place is doing any business.

lol, say this again.
bottom line is all these whoever trying to have this big business.
most of the same model in a little town with little people.
big, bad location, etc is the reason.
the little spots are trying to stay afloat.
everyone selling the same thing, food, beer.
King's got the market.
I did not even see Treehouse.
you are not getting rich there.
Bailees, Kings has the market.
also the rest of the black men with these food businesses are just making enough to pay the rent and live.
ain't no political nothing.

[tugboaboat5393]

Sosua is honky tonk trashy,with dusty bums skectchy chicas.at least the 2 block strip....unless you have entertain ment events, an atreaction, davids place is dead why not invite this cat Rochey for an event,.. At thiss point they should offer cheap hotels rooms exspat monthly rentals dirt cheap chica rents cheap booze  !

[Travelguy90]

Sosua is honky tonk trashy,with dusty bums skectchy chicas.at least the 2 block strip....unless you have entertain ment events, an atreaction, davids place is dead why not invite this cat Rochey for an event,.. At thiss point they should offer cheap hotels rooms exspat monthly rentals dirt cheap chica rents cheap booze  !

Well the goal is to get rich like the locals do by fleecing idiots and rookies. You’re never going to hit max profits off of sosua, but they way that people waste money, it’s easy to get sold a dream of regular income because of the volume of people who show up. If you have an expectation of an easy $1000 off of 50 people at 20$ a piece monthly, that’s realistically an achievable goal. However when the 50 people ends up closer to 15-30 then it’s no longer easy money, even if you’re getting a profit.

10-20k isn’t too bad of an investment in any country. The issue is Sosua wants you to invest 60-250k instead but it’s only a 15-40k country. Only because safety is really good in Sosua, but quality of life compared to the entire world isn’t top 10.

[Viva La Vega]

Sosua is honky tonk trashy,with dusty bums skectchy chicas.at least the 2 block strip....unless you have entertain ment events, an atreaction, davids place is dead why not invite this cat Rochey for an event,.. At thiss point they should offer cheap hotels rooms exspat monthly rentals dirt cheap chica rents cheap booze  !

Well the goal is to get rich like the locals do by fleecing idiots and rookies. You’re never going to hit max profits off of sosua, but they way that people waste money, it’s easy to get sold a dream of regular income because of the volume of people who show up. If you have an expectation of an easy $1000 off of 50 people at 20$ a piece monthly, that’s realistically an achievable goal. However when the 50 people ends up closer to 15-30 then it’s no longer easy money, even if you’re getting a profit.

10-20k isn’t too bad of an investment in any country. The issue is Sosua wants you to invest 60-250k instead but it’s only a 15-40k country. Only because safety is really good in Sosua, but quality of life compared to the entire world isn’t top 10.

Not sure what either of these posts is trying say...

[tugboaboat5393]

2 points, think like posted ,davids place miss the boat, did not capitalise on events, during covide, its too bad its a nice place but its on the other end of town,,,time to remarket or have afordable lodging, have events   lets say invite Rocheys group,,,or other donimican artist mabey chicas will come haha ,  beter than an empty shell Just my 2 cents !

[stinqu]

Not going to happen!!! POPO satiition across the road. CHICAS STAY AWAY!!!.

[Travelguy90]

Sosua is honky tonk trashy,with dusty bums skectchy chicas.at least the 2 block strip....unless you have entertain ment events, an atreaction, davids place is dead why not invite this cat Rochey for an event,.. At thiss point they should offer cheap hotels rooms exspat monthly rentals dirt cheap chica rents cheap booze  !

Well the goal is to get rich like the locals do by fleecing idiots and rookies. You’re never going to hit max profits off of sosua, but they way that people waste money, it’s easy to get sold a dream of regular income because of the volume of people who show up. If you have an expectation of an easy $1000 off of 50 people at 20$ a piece monthly, that’s realistically an achievable goal. However when the 50 people ends up closer to 15-30 then it’s no longer easy money, even if you’re getting a profit.

10-20k isn’t too bad of an investment in any country. The issue is Sosua wants you to invest 60-250k instead but it’s only a 15-40k country. Only because safety is really good in Sosua, but quality of life compared to the entire world isn’t top 10.

Not sure what either of these posts is trying say...

you shouldn’t invest more than 10-20k into Sosua. However people are regularly tricked out of 50-250k investments be it business, airbnbn/villa/proper, multi group investment, etc… it’s easy to get manipulated into it because of multiple factors

[murano2010]

@ VLV    Some of the things you are listing , is as if they actually had a direct impact on his business failing.   Poor design?  No off street parking?   Way over built?   Terrible location?  No Business plan.   All of those things were not the direct cause of his business failing.  In fact, one can say some of the same things apply  to Ahnvees property.     But at least Ahnvee had a hotel, had the greenlight to operate, and possibly complied with paying off the right people.   

Before the pandemic, many of the businesses were forced to close downtown.  That includes, Bourbon Street, Merengue Bar, Classico, Kings.   Around that time or shortly after, the powers that be had meetings with all of the businesses they shut down, advising them and warning them of what their plans were for Sosua.  In those plans was that certain businesses were designated to be moved to an area that would be Sosuas RLD. 

Those plans were not based on rumors.  Rumors were based on rumors.  In fact at some point they were given a time frame to move.  I think it was a year?  The thing is, the powers that be were probably bluffing and trying to strong arm those businesses under false pretenses ( I could be wrong or half right ).   IMO what they were doing was trying to sucker businesses into giving up their prime real estate locations based on plausible excuses.   They were spreading misinformation, and mis direction about making Sosua a family friendly town.   

Outside investors were hungry to buy property in Sosua.  The powers that be, was trying to get Merengue and Classico.  But maybe they failed to get those properties so that the investors could buy it.   So they settled on acquiring other properties like Bourbon Street, the property formerly where D'Latins was, El Flow, and others.   

IMO acquiring these properties wasnt about promoting family initiatives.  It was mainly about getting those properties so that heavy investors could buy them.   Remember when D Latin closed down?   Everybody thought that when it was under construction,  D'Latin was going to make a comeback.   Willie was not the mayor then.   

He was at loggerheads with the current mayor then.   A mayor who was not going to allow Willie ( and who he represented in business ) to be successful getting that property back to what it was.   Sound familiar?    Was D'Latin a bad location?   Poor design?  Way over built?   No business plan?  No off street parking?    Was D' Latin going to have a hard time filling the joint with paying customers and chicas?   As long as they were forced to stay closed they were going to have a problem making money. 

No none of that was the cause for why D' Latin was not able to be restored.   Willie and whoever he represented in business started a construction project that got halted.   Later on construction resumed again, but this time the Chinese store was being built.  My, my my how did that happen?

Willie eventually saw fighting for that location as a lost cause, or maybe he was offered compensation for giving up that property?   And then he/they set up shop in Playa Chiquita.   How much was Willie being extorted,in order for him to keep the D' Latin location?   Maybe nothing, because the powers that be wanted the property at that location not Willies money.   

Eventually the truth emerges, and the fruit from the behind the scenes deals comes to light.

4 Chinese general merchandise stores all within proximity to each other.  So what happened to making Sosua family friendly?   Did Sosua really need 3 large general merchandise stores within yards of each other?   One across the street from Metro, and they are all almost selling the same stuff?   

And dont think that the powers that be didnt want to get their hands on City/Sosua Lights too.   They wanted that property too.  Im not sure why they didnt get it.  Maybe because it was owned and connected to the hotel section? 

Now that we are in June 2023, and nobody is masked , and almost everybody is vaxed up,  tell me why isnt Classico open?   People should consider the reasons may be similar to what Dave was going through at the Sports complex.   Powers that B want your property.  And if they dont get it, they are not going to allow you to reopen.   

Another thing to take into consideration.  Dave may very well have long money.   What I mean is,  he may be taking a loss on the Sports Complex but that doesnt mean that he is broke and destitute.  He may very well be rich, and have a ton of money.   What he paid for the land, and the materials to build the Sports Complex may have been very affordable ( compared to what he would pay to build in the US ) based on his financial standings and his ability to build whole buildings.   

So really, I dont feel sorry for him.  He may very well be able to afford his losses.   And he's still relatively young ( under 60 ) having fun doing stuff with his money.   So I dont get that he's saving face.  I just think that he is not going to give into being extorted.   In his own words, if Im going give up that much just to be allowed to stay open,  I might as well give them my property.     And Im not going to do that,  I will just keep it closed.   

   

[murano2010]

Here's a kicker.   The dude that had the Mamajuana Bar that was on Pedro Clisante had to shut down his place.  I think he renamed it the Brooklyn Bar.  Chicas werent going in there much and neither were guys.  They each cancelled out the other.   He put a lot of money into taking it over from the previous owner.   Thing is, he should have taken a hint before plopping down his money.   That location in the cut had some success, but that was back in the day. 

As time moved on, more and more chicks turned to patrolling the area rather than sitting inside of a venue waiting to be hired.  Take Merengue Bar.  Today Merengue doesnt seem to draw the amount of people that they used to.   Dozens and dozens of chicks used to go in Merengue.   They had so many chicks trying to get in, that security had to surpervise the door.   

But look at Merengue today.   It's nowhere near as busy as it used to be.   A lot of chicks dont want to miss out on any action from guys out and about.   So rather than go inside a venue and wait for a client,  chicks tend to patrol.   

When it comes to Bailees and Kings,  a lot of guys are going to come there to eat/drink and/or watch sports.  So it ends up that these are the sitdown places certain chicks will enter hoping to secure clients.   The rest of the chicks will just continue to patrol and or stand on corners.   Or find places they can slip in and out of, while looking for work.   

[Bat Man]

Besides all this couldn't they just eminent Domain the places if they wanted to?

[bangoskank]

I suspect that there is some political fighting going on concerning the opening of the rooftop bar at the Sosua Inn Hotel. Kevin had mentioned to me that they were pushing off opening it because some other people were not happy.

[murano2010]

I wanna fine tune a couple of things.  I made the comparison of the Sports Bar and D' Latin to illustrate a point.   Willie had the same problem with the mayor at the time, as the Sports Complex.  Before the Sports Complex, Dave still had City Lights, but it was shut down. 

When the authorities told the businesses that they would have to establish themselves in the RLD, and given a time frame, Dave being a builder/contractor took it upon himself to be proactive ahead of the pack.  He may have been the only entity that had the resources and ability to buy/lease land and build his own place.   Willie halted his re construction for D' Latin ( voluntarily or forced ) and instead established the club in Playa Chiquita.   

So did both Dave and Willie act on rumors when they made the moves that they did?  Or were they acting on the information fed to them by that administration?   Both places are far from the strip.  Both places could be considered not good locations.   Willies spot more, because it is much further out of the way. 

The Politur station has been suggested and bantered about that it played a role in keeping chicas away from the Sports Complex?   The building is just a building.  Chicas were in more danger of being picked up on the strip or caught walking freely around the block than having to be worried about being arrested as soon as they got off or on a moto in front of the Sports Complex. 

Even as ass backwards as the DR might be, I cant see the Politur police actively grabbing chicas just because they show up at the Sports Complex.  Especially when the police would probably be getting perks and benefits directly from the Sports Complex.   So IMO, the Politur station was a non issue.  That is where chicas are supposed to be.  They are in the RLD, so why would chicas be concerned about the station?

The time of the pandemic played a role as well.  Discos were the last type of business allowed to reopen to the public.  So Dave worked on other projects on his property so he could be up and running.  That was the sports bar in the front, the pool tables, and mini swimming pool in the front.   The disco project was stalled since Dave was not going to be allowed to use it, at that time. 

Super Bowl Week 2021, the Sports complex showed some signs of life.  It may have had a small number of chicks, but it had a decent crowd of guys that showed up.   They even had VIP set up.   But what happened is that the police were ordered to shut him down, and forced everyone there to leave.   

I left just before the shut down took place.   Ahnvee was operating during Super Bowl Sunday, if memory serves me correctly.  But Ahnvee was not shut down.  But the police in front of Ahnvee was ordered to go to the sports complex to shut it down.   

Dave did compensate a medium level police official so that he could be left alone.   But that wasnt enough or the right person.  The mayor wanted Daves place shut down.   This is another example of how in spite of his efforts to run a successful business, Dave was under a great deal of opposition.   

So IMO,  there was nothing wrong with his business plan, the location, the building design, the property being over built, or because it didnt have off street parking.   Im saying this didnt cause a business failure. This is all about power and corruption.   

Remember Willie himself failed to get D' Latin reestablished on PC back then.   He had to deal with the powers that would not allow him to reopen D' Latin.   And many might say,  the location for D' Latin was excellent.  But how good is a location if officials wont allow you to open it for business?   Because they have another agenda in mind.   Lets not forget Merengue wasnt allowed to open for a while either.

The Sports Complex was new to the scene.  If left alone and given a few years,  the club might have been a huge success.  And something interesting for folks to talk about, since the Politur station was across the street. 
     
Willies club in Playa Chiquita was no immediate success either.  He set up his club inside next to the casino.  It took time for guys and chicks to catch on, and start going there.   Many people knew about Classico.  Many were accustomed to going to Classico.  And it was super convenient, where one could walk back and forth to their hotels.    To now have to go all the way to Playa Chiquita just to go to a club?   If Dave had his club operating,  he would have had the same problem getting started. 

BTW wasnt Willies spot in Playa Chiquita initially for the locals going there?  And they were playing mostly Latin music and stuff the locals liked?  And much later on they evolved to accommodate music tourists liked?   Chicas and tourists filled up the club because the ambiance shifted.   And guys on vacation realized that as long as Clasico was never going to reopen, they had a place to go.   

But, before Willies Club though,  guys and Chicas started going to Ahnvee.  Ahnvee had a club section.  But what brought chicas and guys there was the hotel initially.  Ahnvee could function as a resort hotel.  Guys were staying there, so chicks came.  Later on, chicks were allowed to stay there,  so more guys booked to stay there.   Ahnvee became a one stop shopping for chicas and clients since we had restrictions on our mobility to move around town. 

The noise pollution was also a problem for Ahnvees neighbors.  They couldnt take all of that noise coming from Ahnvee.  So for maybe a solid year as we were coming out of the pandemic and restrictions,  Ahnvee was the go to place.  But why was Ahnvee more of a success than Daves Sports Complex?   

The business plan initially was selling vacation packages to make up for their financial deficits.    How many cats lost money on that deal?   Plus the restaurants and amenities that people signed up for when they purchased the vacation packages, eventually disappeared. 

People staying at Ahnvee were given Bourbon Street as a place to go to for their included meal plan, and transpo to and from Ahnvee.   All of that slowly faded.  Especially when Bourbon street on the strip was vacated, and many fancy restaurants on Ahnvees property phased out.  Building design and structural integrity of Ahnvees property?   

Several buildings are actually renovated buildings from dilapidated/idle construction.   And they used new building materials  as a facade to cover what was there.   Some structures are new with the same facade covering, but not necessarily structural masterpieces.   

The layout of the rooms and amenities were not exactly well thought out either.   Swimming pools poorly heated and maintained.  Toilets with zero privacy.   A/C units leaking into rooms.  Lets face it,  there were a whole host of problems.   And no real off street parking for guests. 
 
So there were design failures, bad location for a so called resort hotel, no off street parking, Police Nationals hanging outside of your place ( might as well be in front of the Politur Police station ), they allegedly fell for a rumor, closed down Bourbon street so they could operate exclusively out of Ahnvee, allegedly no business plan.   

They still managed with all of that, to have what looked like some degree of success.   Short lived success,  but who knows?    We all heard the rumors of employees not getting paid,  having to be let go.    It's a given that theft from some employees was going on.   Stealing food, liquor, cheating customers.   Baiting and switching on the cost of supplies and splitting the profit with the suppliers.   

Shit like that goes on more than people realize, especially when you entrust your business to your local staff.     They know how to steal you blind, and show receipts.   And dont be surprised, even ones business partners from their own country could be stealing from the business.

[murano2010]

In conclusion,  given a reasonable amount of time, and no interference and corruption, Daves Sports Complex could have been a huge success.    The time Dave was open,  he had a few people that did enjoy going there.  In the rear some entities rented space for their parties.   Sometimes several pool tables were occupied.   He employed several people when it was opened, that were happy to get some form of income.  During the construction phase, he employed several people as well.   

The entire property has so much potential,  if the dude was just left alone.   Im not saying everything Dave did or was doing was a smart decision.   Im just saying that his efforts to establish a business was no different than any other business in town.   The interference from the powers that be, the bad timing of the pandemic is what did him in.   It might have taken chicas and guys up to or more than a year to fill up the place on a consistent basis.   If that disco had been constructed and opened, that could have made a difference.   

[uth]

I wanna fine tune a couple of things.  I made the comparison of the Sports Bar and D' Latin to illustrate a point.   Willie had the same problem with the mayor at the time, as the Sports Complex.  Before the Sports Complex, Dave still had City Lights, but it was shut down. 

When the authorities told the businesses that they would have to establish themselves in the RLD, and given a time frame, Dave being a builder/contractor took it upon himself to be proactive ahead of the pack.  He may have been the only entity that had the resources and ability to buy/lease land and build his own place.   Willie halted his re construction for D' Latin ( voluntarily or forced ) and instead established the club in Playa Chiquita.   

So did both Dave and Willie act on rumors when they made the moves that they did?  Or were they acting on the information fed to them by that administration?   Both places are far from the strip.  Both places could be considered not good locations.   Willies spot more, because it is much further out of the way. 

The Politur station has been suggested and bantered about that it played a role in keeping chicas away from the Sports Complex?   The building is just a building.  Chicas were in more danger of being picked up on the strip or caught walking freely around the block than having to be worried about being arrested as soon as they got off or on a moto in front of the Sports Complex. 

Even as ass backwards as the DR might be, I cant see the Politur police actively grabbing chicas just because they show up at the Sports Complex.  Especially when the police would probably be getting perks and benefits directly from the Sports Complex.   So IMO, the Politur station was a non issue.  That is where chicas are supposed to be.  They are in the RLD, so why would chicas be concerned about the station?

The time of the pandemic played a role as well.  Discos were the last type of business allowed to reopen to the public.  So Dave worked on other projects on his property so he could be up and running.  That was the sports bar in the front, the pool tables, and mini swimming pool in the front.   The disco project was stalled since Dave was not going to be allowed to use it, at that time. 

Super Bowl Week 2021, the Sports complex showed some signs of life.  It may have had a small number of chicks, but it had a decent crowd of guys that showed up.   They even had VIP set up.   But what happened is that the police were ordered to shut him down, and forced everyone there to leave.   

I left just before the shut down took place.   Ahnvee was operating during Super Bowl Sunday, if memory serves me correctly.  But Ahnvee was not shut down.  But the police in front of Ahnvee was ordered to go to the sports complex to shut it down.   

Dave did compensate a medium level police official so that he could be left alone.   But that wasnt enough or the right person.  The mayor wanted Daves place shut down.   This is another example of how in spite of his efforts to run a successful business, Dave was under a great deal of opposition.   

So IMO,  there was nothing wrong with his business plan, the location, the building design, the property being over built, or because it didnt have off street parking.   Im saying this didnt cause a business failure. This is all about power and corruption.   

Remember Willie himself failed to get D' Latin reestablished on PC back then.   He had to deal with the powers that would not allow him to reopen D' Latin.   And many might say,  the location for D' Latin was excellent.  But how good is a location if officials wont allow you to open it for business?   Because they have another agenda in mind.   Lets not forget Merengue wasnt allowed to open for a while either.

The Sports Complex was new to the scene.  If left alone and given a few years,  the club might have been a huge success.  And something interesting for folks to talk about, since the Politur station was across the street. 
     
Willies club in Playa Chiquita was no immediate success either.  He set up his club inside next to the casino.  It took time for guys and chicks to catch on, and start going there.   Many people knew about Classico.  Many were accustomed to going to Classico.  And it was super convenient, where one could walk back and forth to their hotels.    To now have to go all the way to Playa Chiquita just to go to a club?   If Dave had his club operating,  he would have had the same problem getting started. 

BTW wasnt Willies spot in Playa Chiquita initially for the locals going there?  And they were playing mostly Latin music and stuff the locals liked?  And much later on they evolved to accommodate music tourists liked?   Chicas and tourists filled up the club because the ambiance shifted.   And guys on vacation realized that as long as Clasico was never going to reopen, they had a place to go.   

But, before Willies Club though,  guys and Chicas started going to Ahnvee.  Ahnvee had a club section.  But what brought chicas and guys there was the hotel initially.  Ahnvee could function as a resort hotel.  Guys were staying there, so chicks came.  Later on, chicks were allowed to stay there,  so more guys booked to stay there.   Ahnvee became a one stop shopping for chicas and clients since we had restrictions on our mobility to move around town. 

The noise pollution was also a problem for Ahnvees neighbors.  They couldnt take all of that noise coming from Ahnvee.  So for maybe a solid year as we were coming out of the pandemic and restrictions,  Ahnvee was the go to place.  But why was Ahnvee more of a success than Daves Sports Complex?   

The business plan initially was selling vacation packages to make up for their financial deficits.    How many cats lost money on that deal?   Plus the restaurants and amenities that people signed up for when they purchased the vacation packages, eventually disappeared. 

People staying at Ahnvee were given Bourbon Street as a place to go to for their included meal plan, and transpo to and from Ahnvee.   All of that slowly faded.  Especially when Bourbon street on the strip was vacated, and many fancy restaurants on Ahnvees property phased out.  Building design and structural integrity of Ahnvees property?   

Several buildings are actually renovated buildings from dilapidated/idle construction.   And they used new building materials  as a facade to cover what was there.   Some structures are new with the same facade covering, but not necessarily structural masterpieces.   

The layout of the rooms and amenities were not exactly well thought out either.   Swimming pools poorly heated and maintained.  Toilets with zero privacy.   A/C units leaking into rooms.  Lets face it,  there were a whole host of problems.   And no real off street parking for guests. 
 
So there were design failures, bad location for a so called resort hotel, no off street parking, Police Nationals hanging outside of your place ( might as well be in front of the Politur Police station ), they allegedly fell for a rumor, closed down Bourbon street so they could operate exclusively out of Ahnvee, allegedly no business plan.   

They still managed with all of that, to have what looked like some degree of success.   Short lived success,  but who knows?    We all heard the rumors of employees not getting paid,  having to be let go.    It's a given that theft from some employees was going on.   Stealing food, liquor, cheating customers.   Baiting and switching on the cost of supplies and splitting the profit with the suppliers.   

Shit like that goes on more than people realize, especially when you entrust your business to your local staff.     They know how to steal you blind, and show receipts.   And dont be surprised, even ones business partners from their own country could be stealing from the business.

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[tugboaboat5393]

I suspect that there is some political fighting going on concerning the opening of the rooftop bar at the Sosua Inn Hotel. Kevin had mentioned to me that they were pushing off opening it because some other people were not happy.

not enough palms greased !