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Viva La Vega

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Re: Havana January 2024
« Reply #30 on: January 14, 2024, 05:13:24 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl4mufYW1Yo

Or just have a look at what it was pre-Trump, when the Stones played, Obama visited, Dior shows....

And Cuba was still an oppressive backwards government that kept their people in poverty and oppression

This is a brain...

This is a brain on MAGA.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

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Re: Havana January 2024
« Reply #31 on: January 14, 2024, 05:28:38 PM »
Remind me who is keeping the Cuban people in poverty.

"When migrants send home part of their earnings in the form of either cash or goods to support their families, these transfers are known as workers' or migrant remittances. They have been growing rapidly in the past few years and now represent the largest source of foreign income for many developing economies."  *IMF.

Pre Trump, Cuban Americans could support their families by sending unlimited cash remittances and many could freely return to Cuba with car tires, TV's, medicine, other things that were difficult to find due to the now 65 year trade embargo.

As part of the Trump policy, the maximum amount of money that any individual can now send is $1000 every three months.


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Re: Havana January 2024
« Reply #32 on: January 14, 2024, 06:27:44 PM »
Remind me who is keeping the Cuban people in poverty.

"When migrants send home part of their earnings in the form of either cash or goods to support their families, these transfers are known as workers' or migrant remittances. They have been growing rapidly in the past few years and now represent the largest source of foreign income for many developing economies."  *IMF.

Pre Trump, Cuban Americans could support their families by sending unlimited cash remittances and many could freely return to Cuba with car tires, TV's, medicine, other things that were difficult to find due to the now 65 year trade embargo.

As part of the Trump policy, the maximum amount of money that any individual can now send is $1000 every three months.

So what your saying is communist Cuba is dependent on the wealth of capitalist USA. I wonder why that is?

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Re: Havana January 2024
« Reply #33 on: January 14, 2024, 08:05:04 PM »
Remind me who is keeping the Cuban people in poverty.

"When migrants send home part of their earnings in the form of either cash or goods to support their families, these transfers are known as workers' or migrant remittances. They have been growing rapidly in the past few years and now represent the largest source of foreign income for many developing economies."  *IMF.

Pre Trump, Cuban Americans could support their families by sending unlimited cash remittances and many could freely return to Cuba with car tires, TV's, medicine, other things that were difficult to find due to the now 65 year trade embargo.

As part of the Trump policy, the maximum amount of money that any individual can now send is $1000 every three months.

So what your saying is communist Cuba is dependent on the wealth of capitalist USA. I wonder why that is?

Individuals are being prevented from sending money to their families. That is what I am saying. If you interpret that as the State of Cuba is dependent on the US you are sadly ignorant of history. Read a book.

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Re: Havana January 2024
« Reply #34 on: January 14, 2024, 08:15:21 PM »
@UTH I am Canadian, expat, live and work in the region and have been to Cuba probably been to Cuba 25-30 times in the last 15 years.

Whats your thing? Are you from Cuba? Venezuela? Former Soviet? Live in Florida? MAGA?

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Re: Havana January 2024
« Reply #35 on: January 14, 2024, 11:44:08 PM »
@UTH I am Canadian, expat, live and work in the region and have been to Cuba probably been to Cuba 25-30 times in the last 15 years.

Whats your thing? Are you from Cuba? Venezuela? Former Soviet? Live in Florida? MAGA?

So you are willfully ignorant and exploiting the women there since “forever”. Read a book you say? What about you? Karl Marx, Goerge Orwell? And let me know at point in time the Cuban Government was not oppressing it’s own people and was functioning independent communist state.

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Re: Havana January 2024
« Reply #36 on: January 15, 2024, 12:39:15 AM »
Remind me who is keeping the Cuban people in poverty.

"When migrants send home part of their earnings in the form of either cash or goods to support their families, these transfers are known as workers' or migrant remittances. They have been growing rapidly in the past few years and now represent the largest source of foreign income for many developing economies."  *IMF.

Pre Trump, Cuban Americans could support their families by sending unlimited cash remittances and many could freely return to Cuba with car tires, TV's, medicine, other things that were difficult to find due to the now 65 year trade embargo.

As part of the Trump policy, the maximum amount of money that any individual can now send is $1000 every three months.

Lol. Who’s keeping the Cuban people in poverty? Obviously, Democrats and the Biden-Harris Administration. They haven’t reversed any of the Trump era restriction modifications on Cuba. They have the power to do so. Ask yourself why they’ve done nothing. 

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Re: Havana January 2024
« Reply #37 on: January 15, 2024, 12:45:18 AM »
@UTH I am Canadian, expat, live and work in the region and have been to Cuba probably been to Cuba 25-30 times in the last 15 years.

Whats your thing? Are you from Cuba? Venezuela? Former Soviet? Live in Florida? MAGA?

So you are willfully ignorant and exploiting the women there since “forever”. Read a book you say? What about you? Karl Marx, Goerge Orwell? And let me know at point in time the Cuban Government was not oppressing it’s own people and was functioning independent communist state.

What scares you about this country?

I am not suggesting you read a book about ideology (best include Marti), I am suggesting you read history, and you need to go back hundreds of years to see why the revolution actually happened. Then kick it up a notch and check the last 30 odd years since the Soviet collapse and look at the progress being made in individual rights.

But ask your self why? Why every year since 1991 the UN has voted and declared the blockade illegal and from 2008-2016 progress was happening to lift it and all that slowed in January 2017, and came to a screeching halt 4 days after the insurrection with 10 days left in the Trump administration. And it cant be about human rights as women in the US are losing there right to reproductive healthcare and Trump embraced the leaders of DPRK, Russia and PRC.


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Re: Havana January 2024
« Reply #38 on: January 15, 2024, 12:57:59 AM »
Remind me who is keeping the Cuban people in poverty.

"When migrants send home part of their earnings in the form of either cash or goods to support their families, these transfers are known as workers' or migrant remittances. They have been growing rapidly in the past few years and now represent the largest source of foreign income for many developing economies."  *IMF.

Pre Trump, Cuban Americans could support their families by sending unlimited cash remittances and many could freely return to Cuba with car tires, TV's, medicine, other things that were difficult to find due to the now 65 year trade embargo.

As part of the Trump policy, the maximum amount of money that any individual can now send is $1000 every three months.

Lol. Who’s keeping the Cuban people in poverty? Obviously, Democrats and the Biden-Harris Administration. They haven’t reversed any of the Trump era restriction modifications on Cuba. They have the power to do so. Ask yourself why they’ve done nothing.

https://www.wola.org/analysis/human-cost-cuba-state-sponsor-of-terrorism-list/#:~:text=While%20the%20president%20has%20the,from%20the%20list%20at%20will.

Well Congress does, I doubt they could do it by executive order.

But why, there is another reason that comes to mind for me, but the obvious is Florida. No other State in the US gives a f--k about Cuba. I don't think Florida will ever be a swing or purple state again, too many retirees, churches, guns and latinos so the next democrat admin should just say f--k it, we are never gonna win there again, stop bending a knee to the descendants of the exiles and step up and do whats right.

PoonTangClan

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Re: Havana January 2024
« Reply #39 on: January 15, 2024, 06:09:15 AM »
Remind me who is keeping the Cuban people in poverty.

"When migrants send home part of their earnings in the form of either cash or goods to support their families, these transfers are known as workers' or migrant remittances. They have been growing rapidly in the past few years and now represent the largest source of foreign income for many developing economies."  *IMF.

Pre Trump, Cuban Americans could support their families by sending unlimited cash remittances and many could freely return to Cuba with car tires, TV's, medicine, other things that were difficult to find due to the now 65 year trade embargo.

As part of the Trump policy, the maximum amount of money that any individual can now send is $1000 every three months.

Lol. Who’s keeping the Cuban people in poverty? Obviously, Democrats and the Biden-Harris Administration. They haven’t reversed any of the Trump era restriction modifications on Cuba. They have the power to do so. Ask yourself why they’ve done nothing.

https://www.wola.org/analysis/human-cost-cuba-state-sponsor-of-terrorism-list/#:~:text=While%20the%20president%20has%20the,from%20the%20list%20at%20will.

Well Congress does, I doubt they could do it by executive order.

But why, there is another reason that comes to mind for me, but the obvious is Florida. No other State in the US gives a f--k about Cuba. I don't think Florida will ever be a swing or purple state again, too many retirees, churches, guns and latinos so the next democrat admin should just say f--k it, we are never gonna win there again, stop bending a knee to the descendants of the exiles and step up and do whats right.

Congress can do certain things, but the President through the Executive Branch, can enact changes through regulatory amendments, which don’t always require acts of Congress.

Trump era restrictions on remittances to Cuba were modified through the Treasury Department. Like I said before, the Biden-Harris Administration can reverse course, but they haven’t. (That tells you everything you need to know). What’s happening in Cuba is not an albatross that can solely be hung around the Trump’s Administration’s neck. Cuba‘a issues have nothing to do with MAGA, because the issues pre-date MAGA.

Regardless, to make a long story short, Cuba’s problems are the result of poor [Communist] governance. That same socialist autocracy model that destroyed Cuba, is also destroying Venezuela, today.
« Last Edit: January 15, 2024, 06:12:01 AM by PoonTangClan »

Viva La Vega

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Re: Havana January 2024
« Reply #40 on: January 15, 2024, 07:42:06 AM »
https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF10715

One common thread between them are the sanctions. Venezuela may work their own way out of the mess more rapidly than Cuba. But I can't see any change in regime in my lifetime unless the trade embargo is lifted.

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Re: Havana January 2024
« Reply #41 on: January 15, 2024, 01:05:35 PM »
Have you been to the V&S bar or 212 bar? I hear it’s pretty point and click at those places.

Viva La Vega

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Re: Havana January 2024
« Reply #42 on: January 15, 2024, 01:14:32 PM »
Have you been to the V&S bar or 212 bar? I hear it’s pretty point and click at those places.

I have heard about a couple of places in that area close to Casa de Musica, I am typically not down that way in the evening.

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Re: Havana January 2024
« Reply #43 on: January 15, 2024, 05:32:58 PM »
The government "ideological oppression" of 60 years ago has change in the last 20 years. Castro saw that his people were suffering after the the fall of the USSR in the late 90's . Even Bush JR. admin. tried to normalize relations (2003), and it was going good until Hugo Chavez (Venezuela President) F**ked it up. Then nothing much until Obama tried again.The Hawks in DC(AND THE MONEY MEN) can't get past loosing their shit to a backwoods lawyer from Cuba. Now the oppression in Cuba is more monetary control than political,how to meet the most urgent needs with the little they have. Miguel Diaz-Canel is president now(2021). If the US. would take their foot off their throat,all would be good.

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Re: Havana January 2024
« Reply #44 on: February 27, 2024, 10:22:36 AM »
Going to Cuba in April. While communism is not perfect and honestly Cuba should move away from it or at least model itself like China, I find it funny that the critics of "sOciAliSm bAd!" completely ignore the USA embargo significantly harming Cuba. Of course the current govt of Cuba doesn't make it better especially without the support of the Soviet Union. But God Damn a lot of these post don't know what the hell they talking about, nor know what socialism or communism is besides just screaming what Fox News tells them. Cuba's problems are multifaceted. And no USA is NOT heading towards f--king Cuba you idiots lol. By that logic most of freaking Europe is ALREADY "Cuba" and communist af. lmfaooo...

 







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