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Quick story... So got with one of them.. she said I can pay her 2500... I didn't make any offer... She did.
She comes over, i pay the taxi 300 pesos, that's curfew prices, since it's better to use that than a moto. But I should have made her ass use a moto, first mistake...
She comes in, everything is all great, drank with me, etc... f--ked of course....
She ended up staying all night... f--ked the morning...
She got ready to leave like 7 am... And I gave her $3500...
No thanks, nada. Just, "so you really gonna give that only?".
She said, it should be $5000.
I was like, "sorry I don't have that, i am giving you more than what we agreed on and it's all i have, you can't even say thanks and keep it pushing?". I was like, you and I can chill again and I would give you more...
This chick stormed out my place and slammed the door and everything ... which got me pissed the f--k off, i wanted to knock her head off, but kept it cool...
So this chick, who was great in bed, turned out to be a f--king did personality wise... I wasn't expecting that reaction, thought she was smarter, and just more graceful than that.... But can't trust non of them, really gotta talk and lay out everything...
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Sometimes it’s a game they play,(“with the same love it give you... I hate you with” because i didn’t want to give her a western union despite her having a thief friend or she was a thief), or she her facade just faded. Some girls want to get paid for sleeping overnight like you a lonely mother f...
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She was running game! She assumed that because she stayed longer then agreed that she would get the overnight price.... which wasn’t bad.50000 peso ($100) for a good all nighter. But as they say don’t assume because you make an ass out of you and me! Chalk it up as a learning mistake. She knew she wasn’t clear thus the pushed off attitude. It could of turned ugly and escalated into some bullshit! She probably shitting on your name right now to all the chicas
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Sometimes it’s a game they play,(“with the same love it give you... I hate you with” because i didn’t want to give her a western union despite her having a thief friend or she was a thief), or she her facade just faded. Some girls want to get paid for sleeping overnight like you a lonely mother f...
Guess who started that shit? Dudes. For most, unless they have a very generous sponsor, they will be sleeping better than they would otherwise and now during the pandemic it is more convenient for them to stay over.
Here is the deal, I am not a 1500 pesos hold the line guy but I follow a strict set of rules:
1. I don't pay extra for them sleep in my bed. I sleep better alone so paying to be less comfortable ain't gonna happen. I set a price and if she agrees, that's it. I don't pay extra for Toda La Noche. Stories abound on this board and others about the 3am "my baby sick" phone call (most likely planned ahead of time with another chick) or the chick that gets dress at sunrise without the morning smash to fulfil her TLN obligation. Besides, the times that I f--ked all night was a more a matter of chemistry rather than money. Most times it is session after the club and a session in the morning.
2. After a price is agreed upon it is final. No tip, no increase to reward a good performance. When the OP went from 2500 to 3500, she saw it as a weakness and went for more. And apparently that shit works because it is appears to be a common move. There is a magic word I use all the time: no. Same word in Spanish as it is in English. She can get mad all she wants she just needs to get the f--k out. My façade changes just as quick theirs once the money hits their hand, that flirty, fun guy from the night before goes away once the transaction is done. On to the next. And remember, most of the time when they get pissed off at you it rarely lasts. For most of the chicks, it is performative and dudes fall for it. A lot times of they see you later in the day and treat you like an old friend. Just got to watch out for the crazy or coked up ones.
3. I don't cover transportation cost unless I am involved. And if where she is going is further that where I am going then she cover the rest of the way.
If you live there or go often enough, like it or not, you'll develop a reputation. If you establish you don't entertain certain foolishness then they'll stop trying you.
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I want to show her pic sooooo bad, but I'm here and it's way too soon. I guess it was a sign of "weakness", good thing I ain't budge. When she ask for "1000" more.... I get your points though.
To the guy who said she is talking shit about me to other chickas, i really don't give two f--ks honestly... I am sure if she told them I gave her 3500, most of them would come at me...
That big is a one and done and wouldn't get another peso outta me...
I was just caught off guard with how she acted. I deal with a lot of them girls here... But you live and you learn.
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Some of them will try to establish a traumatic bond[sex as a weapon] if they think you are weak and use you for everything they want. Sadly, being used on a daily basis makes people very calloused/insensitive to others, especially people that are easily replaced...you.
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Quick story... So got with one of them.. she said I can pay her 2500... I didn't make any offer... She did.
She comes over, i pay the taxi 300 pesos, that's curfew prices, since it's better to use that than a moto. But I should have made her ass use a moto, first mistake...
She comes in, everything is all great, drank with me, etc... f--ked of course....
She ended up staying all night... f--ked the morning...
She got ready to leave like 7 am... And I gave her $3500...
No thanks, nada. Just, "so you really gonna give that only?".
She said, it should be $5000.
I was like, "sorry I don't have that, i am giving you more than what we agreed on and it's all i have, you can't even say thanks and keep it pushing?". I was like, you and I can chill again and I would give you more...
This chick stormed out my place and slammed the door and everything ... which got me pissed the f--k off, i wanted to knock her head off, but kept it cool...
So this chick, who was great in bed, turned out to be a f--king did personality wise... I wasn't expecting that reaction, thought she was smarter, and just more graceful than that.... But can't trust non of them, really gotta talk and lay out everything...
Proud Simp,
You don’t have the right to be angry with the chica. She didn’t do anything wrong. You both agreed upon an initial price that was NOT explicitly for a TLN. She came over and ya’ll initially smashed on a ST rate (2,500 pesos).
You said “She ended up staying all night.” How did this happen? What do you mean? It’s your place, and you’re the only one who has control over who stays there.
She wanted to stay (which was an up-sell strategy), and you agreed to the up-sell with your actions. (You allowed her to stay, and you continued to smash).
When you smashed a second time, that put you at two ST rate smashes @ 2500 each, so yes, she was fair and correct to expect a total of 5,000 pesos from you.
If the chica decided to stand her ground for that 5,000 pesos, she would’ve had every right to make your day miserable, because technically, you f--ked up and you shorted her. You were wrong.
If a chica who didn’t come for TLN wants to make it a TLN, ya’ll have to discuss $$$ before you go any further.
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She definitely is a Bum Bitch and deserves to be listed at least by name...so the rest of us can be aware of her.
https://takemebacktososua.com/sosua-street-advice/bum-bitches!/msg236912/#msg236912 (https://takemebacktososua.com/sosua-street-advice/bum-bitches!/msg236912/#msg236912)
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Sometimes it’s a game they play,(“with the same love it give you... I hate you with” because i didn’t want to give her a western union despite her having a thief friend or she was a thief), or she her facade just faded. Some girls want to get paid for sleeping overnight like you a lonely mother f...
Guess who started that shit? Dudes. For most, unless they have a very generous sponsor, they will be sleeping better than they would otherwise and now during the pandemic it is more convenient for them to stay over.
Here is the deal, I am not a 1500 pesos hold the line guy but I follow a strict set of rules:
1. I don't pay extra for them sleep in my bed. I sleep better alone so paying to be less comfortable ain't gonna happen. I set a price and if she agrees, that's it. I don't pay extra for Toda La Noche. Stories abound on this board and others about the 3am "my baby sick" phone call (most likely planned ahead of time with another chick) or the chick that gets dress at sunrise without the morning smash to fulfil her TLN obligation. Besides, the times that I f--ked all night was a more a matter of chemistry rather than money. Most times it is session after the club and a session in the morning.
2. After a price is agreed upon it is final. No tip, no increase to reward a good performance. When the OP went from 2500 to 3500, she saw it as a weakness and went for more. And apparently that shit works because it is appears to be a common move. There is a magic word I use all the time: no. Same word in Spanish as it is in English. She can get mad all she wants she just needs to get the f--k out. My façade changes just as quick theirs once the money hits their hand, that flirty, fun guy from the night before goes away once the transaction is done. On to the next. And remember, most of the time when they get pissed off at you it rarely lasts. For most of the chicks, it is performative and dudes fall for it. A lot times of they see you later in the day and treat you like an old friend. Just got to watch out for the crazy or coked up ones.
3. I don't cover transportation cost unless I am involved. And if where she is going is further that where I am going then she cover the rest of the way.
If you live there or go often enough, like it or not, you'll develop a reputation. If you establish you don't entertain certain foolishness then they'll stop trying you.
Very good point. What you say makes alot of sense. The problem is dudes think these chcias are so into them and dont realize to the chcia it is just a biz transaction. You have to pay to play.
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Quick story... So got with one of them.. she said I can pay her 2500... I didn't make any offer... She did.
She comes over, i pay the taxi 300 pesos, that's curfew prices, since it's better to use that than a moto. But I should have made her ass use a moto, first mistake...
She comes in, everything is all great, drank with me, etc... f--ked of course....
She ended up staying all night... f--ked the morning...
She got ready to leave like 7 am... And I gave her $3500...
No thanks, nada. Just, "so you really gonna give that only?".
She said, it should be $5000.
I was like, "sorry I don't have that, i am giving you more than what we agreed on and it's all i have, you can't even say thanks and keep it pushing?". I was like, you and I can chill again and I would give you more...
This chick stormed out my place and slammed the door and everything ... which got me pissed the f--k off, i wanted to knock her head off, but kept it cool...
So this chick, who was great in bed, turned out to be a f--king did personality wise... I wasn't expecting that reaction, thought she was smarter, and just more graceful than that.... But can't trust non of them, really gotta talk and lay out everything...
Proud Simp,
You don’t have the right to be angry with the chica. She didn’t do anything wrong. You both agreed upon an initial price that was NOT explicitly for a TLN. She came over and ya’ll initially smashed on a ST rate (2,500 pesos).
You said “She ended up staying all night.” How did this happen? What do you mean? It’s your place, and you’re the only one who has control over who stays there.
She wanted to stay (which was an up-sell strategy), and you agreed to the up-sell with your actions. (You allowed her to stay, and you continued to smash).
When you smashed a second time, that put you at two ST rate smashes @ 2500 each, so yes, she was fair and correct to expect a total of 5,000 pesos from you.
If the chica decided to stand her ground for that 5,000 pesos, she would’ve had every right to make your day miserable, because technically, you f--ked up and you shorted her. You were wrong.
If a chica who didn’t come for TLN wants to make it a TLN, ya’ll have to discuss $$$ before you go any further.
PTC is correct. In monger court you would be guilty, because yes, of your actions. I don't agree with the results and I simpathize...but yes, it is a result of your failure to establish your parameters of the transaction. This is another reminder to name your price and have her agree to it.
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It was a dumb mistake on both sides! This is why I never haggle and stay away from chicas who are about the transaction! As for throwing shade on your name.... you should care but it can cause some sideways looks if she is a popular chica. But at the end of the day money talks!
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I hear y'all... And point taken.
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It was a dumb mistake on both sides! This is why I never haggle and stay away from chicas who are about the transaction! As for throwing shade on your name.... you should care but it can cause some sideways looks if she is a popular chica. But at the end of the day money talks!
I hear ya, and money does talk here. She is not a popular chicks but I can tell that she is one of those who thinks she is better than the rest too. She is one of those who hangs with just one girl and just say and and buy to the others ..altho I don't know her long, this is how she comes across. But whatever man lol
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What’s her name? Honestly most Sosua superstars don’t roll in packs! They usally only keep a clunkier with them.... basically another chica in training riding her coattails
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I want to show her pic sooooo bad, but I'm here and it's way too soon. I guess it was a sign of "weakness", good thing I ain't budge. When she ask for "1000" more.... I get your points though.
To the guy who said she is talking shit about me to other chickas, i really don't give two f--ks honestly... I am sure if she told them I gave her 3500, most of them would come at me...
That big is a one and done and wouldn't get another peso outta me...
I was just caught off guard with how she acted. I deal with a lot of them girls here... But you live and you learn.
I am both of those guys. No need to get defensive, you handled it well. I am not criticizing you just giving a different perspective. Do whatever works for you, hat's my M.O. I just laid out what works for me.
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It was a dumb mistake on both sides! This is why I never haggle and stay away from chicas who are about the transaction! As for throwing shade on your name.... you should care but it can cause some sideways looks if she is a popular chica. But at the end of the day money talks!
I hear ya, and money does talk here. She is not a popular chicks but I can tell that she is one of those who thinks she is better than the rest too. She is one of those who hangs with just one girl and just say and and buy to the others ..altho I don't know her long, this is how she comes across. But whatever man lol
5000 pesos TLN my G. Haitian chica named Sindy tried to get me like that one night. We in Merengue Bar and it's 3:30 am. We head out back to the hotel. Of course, she was in the street most of the night, so, after we f--ked she went straight to sleep. We get up around 8-9 am and she says 5000 pesos. I didn't even f--k in the morning. I know the rates already and we already had a rapport so I laughed in her face (Id normally give her 3000 pesos so she already knew). I didn't have the bread on me so we walked over to Banco Nacional in front of the Politur. While we were walking, she kept threatening me about going to the police. I just laughed whenever she would say that and she'd smile each time I laughed. I finally said to her, " Come on, let's go to the police." I even pulled her arm and started walking toward the Politur building. She smiled and pulled her arm away. I handed her 3000 pesos and we continued to walk without a hitch.
The moral is, keep your frame. We must be tough, but light-hearted at the same time. She knew was there for only 4 hours. Don't cave into their shit test. Don't get angry with them let them know they think theyre slick and just tease them with out. You put them in a submissive state.
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Funny because Sosua superstar Liz is good for that! Had her slam the door a couple times but it was because she wanted to stay longer and I wasn’t having it or she got faded and passed out butt naked after f--king and realized she spent more time then planned. Lol. Be careful of that happening too! Drink and smoke .... go f--k and she ask if she can rest because she’s f--ked up. Next thing it morning!
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All in all I handled it well. I know you guys saying it was dumbed on my part ... But there are not rates in Sosúa hanging on walls and posters of the going rates of ST and TLN... MY rates are 3000 to 4000 if the price is not discussed, f--k that.... I honestly never had that kind of reaction from a chick. I was more disappointed more than anything becuz i was in the crib chilling and she said for me 2500, usually when they do that, i will say 1500 or 2000, but didn't bother. I should have considering i was telling her i don't wanna spend money for girls etc etc etc... 99 percent of chicks are happy to get that extra 1000 the next morning actually...
But I get what some of y'all are saying too :)
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You did what you were supposed to do. She presented it like a freebie, you took it and still paid extra. Shit you could always say you smashed once and paid extra so you don’t know what she was talking about if you speak Spanish, because you have the text from her saying 2500. I get my overnights and don’t pay extra so I definitely understand how you feel tried, but some of the girls trying to get that holiday money. They frustrated, despite getting paid well compared to others in the country.
Discuss things more in the future or tell her you not paying her extra money in the future to avoid a headache. The “that’s all I have” excuse you used, is one I use as well and it helps me avoid the BS, even though I might have another 500-1000 peso hidden somewhere on my person.
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If u don't know her or know the game well enough.... Keep whatsapp receipts of prices discussed and for what. Don't be afraid to talk nasty af to convey what u want and expect. It's your money. That way u got recourse if shit goes awol.
Keep your frame. They will try. Them dominican chics are honestly too feisty for most dudes... Yet men love them lol.
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If u don't know her or know the game well enough.... Keep whatsapp receipts of prices discussed and for what. Don't be afraid to talk nasty af to convey what u want and expect. It's your money. That way u got recourse if shit goes awol.
Keep your frame. They will try. Them dominican chics are honestly too feisty for most dudes... Yet men love them lol.
That chick never coming back to where I live fam.....i sometimes like to play mind games with them, so i might see her somewhere and get her a couple beers OR something a little more than the extra money she wanted and tell her to her face but very cool manner that based on how you acted that morning i could never invite you over again ever. And just basically tell her in a longer period of time she could have gotten way more outta me than worry about an extra 1000 pesos....
Would she care? I have no idea, but will give her something to thing about and prob help her and the next man...
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Quick story... So got with one of them.. she said I can pay her 2500... I didn't make any offer... She did.
She comes over, i pay the taxi 300 pesos, that's curfew prices, since it's better to use that than a moto. But I should have made her ass use a moto, first mistake...
She comes in, everything is all great, drank with me, etc... f--ked of course....
She ended up staying all night... f--ked the morning...
She got ready to leave like 7 am... And I gave her $3500...
No thanks, nada. Just, "so you really gonna give that only?".
She said, it should be $5000.
I was like, "sorry I don't have that, i am giving you more than what we agreed on and it's all i have, you can't even say thanks and keep it pushing?". I was like, you and I can chill again and I would give you more...
This chick stormed out my place and slammed the door and everything ... which got me pissed the f--k off, i wanted to knock her head off, but kept it cool...
So this chick, who was great in bed, turned out to be a f--king did personality wise... I wasn't expecting that reaction, thought she was smarter, and just more graceful than that.... But can't trust non of them, really gotta talk and lay out everything...
Proud Simp,
You don’t have the right to be angry with the chica. She didn’t do anything wrong. You both agreed upon an initial price that was NOT explicitly for a TLN. She came over and ya’ll initially smashed on a ST rate (2,500 pesos).
You said “She ended up staying all night.” How did this happen? What do you mean? It’s your place, and you’re the only one who has control over who stays there.
She wanted to stay (which was an up-sell strategy), and you agreed to the up-sell with your actions. (You allowed her to stay, and you continued to smash).
When you smashed a second time, that put you at two ST rate smashes @ 2500 each, so yes, she was fair and correct to expect a total of 5,000 pesos from you.
If the chica decided to stand her ground for that 5,000 pesos, she would’ve had every right to make your day miserable, because technically, you f--ked up and you shorted her. You were wrong.
If a chica who didn’t come for TLN wants to make it a TLN, ya’ll have to discuss $$$ before you go any further.
Playing devils advocate. Another example of how men fail to hold women accountable for their actions and decisions, but continually hold men to a higher standard of accountability. Yes the chick did do something wrong.
He said “She ended up staying all night.” How did this happen? They mutually agreed by each others actions. Thats how. It’s his place. It's her pussy. Maybe she decided to stay longer because of all that game my man was slinging. She is the only one who has control over who gets to f--k her.
She wanted to stay (which may have been an up-sell strategy). Did she state that she expected more for her staying? How much did she state she wanted? Oh No report of that?. Didnt she have an obligation to herself to state how much more she wanted for staying longer?
She has no right to get mad at him either, because she failed to inform the guy that she wanted more. Not only that, how much more she wanted. Why is she off the hook for her failure as if she did nothing wrong? She's off the hook for failure to get the terms straight, but he isnt?
When she smashed a second time, she may have assumed that that put the guy and her at two ST rate smashes @ 2500 each. But under what regulation, code, or SOP manual says so? Where is that written? It's not. It's about negotiation. Both have liability in that matter, not just the guy. He was guilty of being shortsighted. But so was she. She bet , gambled and failed to get what she was expecting.
Why didnt she get what she was expecting? Because she failed to get that straight from the beginning. So you see, this failure of responsibility works both ways. Not just one way. There is no automatic 5000 peso payment due if there was no agreement to pay that. Prostitutes should be held accountable for their f--k ups just like any monger. She got what she deserved for not doing her due diligence. if anything she should be happy that the man was thoughtful enough to offer her another 1000. And the potential for repeat business. But now, she probably blew that possibility. Yes, that mugg did something wrong.
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BTW what happened to all of that talk before about how every woman doesnt always expect money when they have sex with a dude? The OP had every right to assume, the chick didnt want any more money than the agreement, because she didnt say a f--king word about wanting money. Remember she was supposedly impressed by the mans GAME.
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Good case presentation but I think the Dominican judge and jury of her peers are going to come down on her side. Imho: Judgement for the plaintiff!
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Good case presentation but I think the Dominican judge and jury of her peers are going to come down on her side. Imho: Judgement for the plaintiff!
How so? She took her extra pay and left. People can argue all they want and still claim the dude was the only one wrong. That situation doesnt matter anymore. That transaction came and went. That chick probably wants to come back. They usually get over it rather quickly. Its only business...not personal. Next time each can be more careful handling their business.
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Facts. And I'm just pointing out that in the DR all incidents rarely come out in favor of the gringo or even reason. That said, I think both parties will definitely be wiser for their next encounters.
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Quick story... So got with one of them.. she said I can pay her 2500... I didn't make any offer... She did.
She comes over, i pay the taxi 300 pesos, that's curfew prices, since it's better to use that than a moto. But I should have made her ass use a moto, first mistake...
She comes in, everything is all great, drank with me, etc... f--ked of course....
She ended up staying all night... f--ked the morning...
She got ready to leave like 7 am... And I gave her $3500...
No thanks, nada. Just, "so you really gonna give that only?".
She said, it should be $5000.
I was like, "sorry I don't have that, i am giving you more than what we agreed on and it's all i have, you can't even say thanks and keep it pushing?". I was like, you and I can chill again and I would give you more...
This chick stormed out my place and slammed the door and everything ... which got me pissed the f--k off, i wanted to knock her head off, but kept it cool...
So this chick, who was great in bed, turned out to be a f--king did personality wise... I wasn't expecting that reaction, thought she was smarter, and just more graceful than that.... But can't trust non of them, really gotta talk and lay out everything...
Proud Simp,
You don’t have the right to be angry with the chica. She didn’t do anything wrong. You both agreed upon an initial price that was NOT explicitly for a TLN. She came over and ya’ll initially smashed on a ST rate (2,500 pesos).
You said “She ended up staying all night.” How did this happen? What do you mean? It’s your place, and you’re the only one who has control over who stays there.
She wanted to stay (which was an up-sell strategy), and you agreed to the up-sell with your actions. (You allowed her to stay, and you continued to smash).
When you smashed a second time, that put you at two ST rate smashes @ 2500 each, so yes, she was fair and correct to expect a total of 5,000 pesos from you.
If the chica decided to stand her ground for that 5,000 pesos, she would’ve had every right to make your day miserable, because technically, you f--ked up and you shorted her. You were wrong.
If a chica who didn’t come for TLN wants to make it a TLN, ya’ll have to discuss $$$ before you go any further.
Playing devils advocate. Another example of how men fail to hold women accountable for their actions and decisions, but continually hold men to a higher standard of accountability. Yes the chick did do something wrong.
He said “She ended up staying all night.” How did this happen? They mutually agreed by each others actions. Thats how. It’s his place. It's her pussy. Maybe she decided to stay longer because of all that game my man was slinging. She is the only one who has control over who gets to f--k her.
She wanted to stay (which may have been an up-sell strategy). Did she state that she expected more for her staying? How much did she state she wanted? Oh No report of that?. Didnt she have an obligation to herself to state how much more she wanted for staying longer?
She has no right to get mad at him either, because she failed to inform the guy that she wanted more. Not only that, how much more she wanted. Why is she off the hook for her failure as if she did nothing wrong? She's off the hook for failure to get the terms straight, but he isnt?
When she smashed a second time, she may have assumed that that put the guy and her at two ST rate smashes @ 2500 each. But under what regulation, code, or SOP manual says so? Where is that written? It's not. It's about negotiation. Both have liability in that matter, not just the guy. He was guilty of being shortsighted. But so was she. She bet , gambled and failed to get what she was expecting.
Why didnt she get what she was expecting? Because she failed to get that straight from the beginning. So you see, this failure of responsibility works both ways. Not just one way. There is no automatic 5000 peso payment due if there was no agreement to pay that. Prostitutes should be held accountable for their f--k ups just like any monger. She got what she deserved for not doing her due diligence. if anything she should be happy that the man was thoughtful enough to offer her another 1000. And the potential for repeat business. But now, she probably blew that possibility. Yes, that mugg did something wrong.
"But under what regulation, code, or SOP manual says so? Where is that written? "
Spoken like a true Soldier! Standard Operating Procedures. Lol
NS
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BTW what happened to all of that talk before about how every woman doesnt always expect money when they have sex with a dude? The OP had every right to assume, the chick didnt want any more money than the agreement, because she didnt say a f--king word about wanting money. Remember she was supposedly impressed by the mans GAME.
You ever hear the saying "Its better to ask for forgiveness than Permission".
The chica was playing the odds. She knows that most guys don't want issues (screaming, shit broken, police) and if she pushed there is a good probability she would get what she asked for. In this particular instance it did not work out, but i bet you this strategy works for her more times than it fails.
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You ever hear the saying "Its better to ask for forgiveness than Permission".
No cant say that I have.
The chica was playing the odds. She knows that most guys don't want issues (screaming, shit broken, police) and if she pushed there is a good probability she would get what she asked for. In this particular instance it did not work out, but i bet you this strategy works for her more times than it fails.
IDK? According to the OP she merely asked if that was all he was going to give her? He said that is all I have, she got mad and stormed out of the door. Thats not exactly what I would call a strategy that would work more times than not. The only strategy the OP saw, was her getting mad and slamming his door. Not only did her strategy not get her more money, it ruined her potential of the dude hiring her again. If that is her strategy, I believe she may have failed more than she succeeded.
Now, if her strategy was to scream, break things and/or call the police ( Monica style ), then I could agree, that strategy may work more times than failing. In her case, nobody knows what she is willing to do or capable of doing. Except make a weak plea that she should get more, get mad when she doesnt, and leave.
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Good case presentation but I think the Dominican judge and jury of her peers are going to come down on her side. Imho: Judgement for the plaintiff!
How so? She took her extra pay and left. People can argue all they want and still claim the dude was the only one wrong. That situation doesnt matter anymore. That transaction came and went. That chick probably wants to come back. They usually get over it rather quickly. Its only business...not personal. Next time each can be more careful handling their business.
Nah, she f--ked up. She tried to take advantage of his kindness. He paid her what he wanted to and she took it and left. If she was fun, no point holding a getting mad or holding grudge. She won't try him again.
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Playing devils advocate. Another example of how men fail to hold women accountable for their actions and decisions, but continually hold men to a higher standard of accountability. Yes the chick did do something wrong.
He said “She ended up staying all night.” How did this happen? They mutually agreed by each others actions. Thats how. It’s his place. It's her pussy. Maybe she decided to stay longer because of all that game my man was slinging. She is the only one who has control over who gets to f--k her.
She wanted to stay (which may have been an up-sell strategy). Did she state that she expected more for her staying? How much did she state she wanted? Oh No report of that?. Didnt she have an obligation to herself to state how much more she wanted for staying longer?
She has no right to get mad at him either, because she failed to inform the guy that she wanted more. Not only that, how much more she wanted. Why is she off the hook for her failure as if she did nothing wrong? She's off the hook for failure to get the terms straight, but he isnt?
When she smashed a second time, she may have assumed that that put the guy and her at two ST rate smashes @ 2500 each. But under what regulation, code, or SOP manual says so? Where is that written? It's not. It's about negotiation. Both have liability in that matter, not just the guy. He was guilty of being shortsighted. But so was she. She bet , gambled and failed to get what she was expecting.
Why didnt she get what she was expecting? Because she failed to get that straight from the beginning. So you see, this failure of responsibility works both ways. Not just one way. There is no automatic 5000 peso payment due if there was no agreement to pay that. Prostitutes should be held accountable for their f--k ups just like any monger. She got what she deserved for not doing her due diligence. if anything she should be happy that the man was thoughtful enough to offer her another 1000. And the potential for repeat business. But now, she probably blew that possibility. Yes, that mugg did something wrong.
Murano,
I get what you’re saying here, and you make a reasonable argument, but, as gringos, we don’t have the upper hand when it comes to this kind of chica drama in a foreign country. If you don’t want to be in the position to be on the hook to pay for something you don’t want to pay for, you don’t engage without explicit negotiation and agreement.
It’s no different from the squeegee guy trying to wash your car window at the stop light without asking for your permission first. Yeah, you can let him do it and then drive off (because you didn’t ask), but if you don’t want him bothering you for money, and you don’t want the drama, you don’t allow him to even start washing your window. That’s on you because it’s your car. Same thing with the chica situation here. That’s on you because she’s in your place.
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Murano,
I get what you’re saying here, and you make a reasonable argument, but, as gringos, we don’t have the upper hand when it comes to this kind of chica drama in a foreign country. If you don’t want to be in the position to be on the hook to pay for something you don’t want to pay for, you don’t engage without explicit negotiation and agreement.
This is monger/chica negotiation theory 101. It's not me that needs to know this. You can share that with the OP.
My focus in this topic was not on that, but on something different :
1. You don’t have the right to be angry with the chica.
2. She didn’t do anything wrong.
3. When you smashed a second time, that put you at two ST rate smashes @ 2500 each,
4. so yes, she was fair and correct to expect a total of 5,000 pesos from you.
5. If the chica decided to stand her ground for that 5,000 pesos, she would’ve had every right to make your day miserable,
6. because technically, you f--ked up and you shorted her. You were wrong.
My take :
1. He does have the right to be angry with the chica. Why the double standard?
2. Yes she did do something wrong. Didnt you say in your post? "If a chica who didn’t come for TLN wants to make it a TLN, ya’ll have to discuss $$$ before you go any further." Well "Ya'll" to me means two people. Both have to initiate discussing the terms of $$$ before they go further. Not just the man. Neither initiated discussing it further. So they both f--ked up not taking responsibility for that. Not just the OP.
She did something wrong on her end. She is in business, it is not personal. So as an Independent Contractor if she wanted more money for staying longer she had an obligation to say so. As you read, she didnt get what she expected. Thats because she failed. How you got him the only one being wrong, and not her is what I was addressing.
3. The OP was correct. There was no established price for a TLN. No automatic pymt of 5000. Just because she says so. The cost for any services is what two people negotiate. They both failed to do that. A hoes expectations after smashing doesnt automatically determine the full price. They both gambled, and he came out somewhat ahead, THIS TIME.
And that is the main thing that matters for this incident. Whatever he chooses to do in the future is on him. He got the better of that exchange, THIS TIME. And thats why I would not emphasize that this issue is about right or wrong. It's more about cause and effect. She got extra pay. Less than she wanted. Maybe she will learn from this? He may have to learn more about what can go wrong if a chica decides to pursue further. But that is not the issue Im addressing at the moment. Just this dynamics of protecting females and not holding them accountable, and putting the onus only on a man being accountable, even if a female f--ks up on her end. A subject that shouldnt be taken lightly.
4. She was being fair? That chick was far from being fair. Fair would have been her stating how much extra she wanted for staying longer. She reneged on that responsibility and instead put it in the OP's judgement of what to pay her. And as it turned out, that is exactly what happened.
5. Now that statement is off the chain. The chick tried to be slick and bamboozle this dude out of money they never negotiated for. And you feel she had a right to make his day miserable???? Is there any wonder of why I talk about elements of female worship and throwing men under the bus the way I do. It occurs to me, what is good for the goose is good for the gander. I guess she doesnt deserve being miserable for what she tried to pull? Only him? Thats deep.
6. Technically, she shorted herself. She deferred getting extra pay to his judgement. I read the OP's story. She is the one that requested 2500 for smashing initially. According to him, she made the offer, not him. So being an Independent Contractor, if she decided that she wanted a certain amount extra, the onus was on her ( for her own expectations ) to tell him what she wanted. Just like she did before they got started. SHE f--kED UP on her end, plain and simple.
Thats like agreeing to work for a job ( as an Independent Contractor) that pays a set rate, and the pay is the same even if you put in overtime. If you want a job that pays extra for extra work, then you dont choose a job without finding out how the employer handles paying for extra work. On his end, he failed to find out what the IC expectations were for staying longer, but made his own calculations. But it potentially cost her more because she f--ked up with THIS boss.
Most of us know the potential of what could happen if a chick took an incident to an extreme. That did not happen in this incident. I'm dealing with what actually occurred, not what could have happened. The extreme possibilities is a whole different issue. Not seeing , caring or addressing the irresponsibility of women when they are wrong. Only seeing men as being wrong, even when women f--k up. And feeling it's ok for a chick to make a mans day miserable , but nothing said about the chick for what she tried to pull. You really would support the idea of some dudes day being miserable just because some female was disappointed? Eye opening indeed.
Im trying to get some understanding of why some men are so protective towards females ( even when they are wrong, or f--k up ) , but have no problem throwing men under the bus, and having a different standard for accountability. And the key here is this. This is not a personal relationship with feelings between a man and a woman. Some would try to argue about a man having more responsibility because he is a man, and is supposed to take the lead because of his gender. This is not the situation for that argument to stick. This incident is about business.
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All in all I handled it well. I know you guys saying it was dumbed on my part ... But there are not rates in Sosúa hanging on walls and posters of the going rates of ST and TLN... MY rates are 3000 to 4000 if the price is not discussed, f--k that.... I honestly never had that kind of reaction from a chick. I was more disappointed more than anything becuz i was in the crib chilling and she said for me 2500, usually when they do that, i will say 1500 or 2000, but didn't bother. I should have considering i was telling her i don't wanna spend money for girls etc etc etc... 99 percent of chicks are happy to get that extra 1000 the next morning actually...
But I get what some of y'all are saying too :)
1. MY rates are 3000 to 4000 if the price is not discussed, f--k that.
2. I honestly never had that kind of reaction from a chick.
3. I was more disappointed more than anything becuz i was in the crib chilling and she said for me 2500, usually when they do that, i will say 1500 or 2000, but didn't bother. I should have considering i was telling her i don't wanna spend money for girls etc etc etc...
4. 99 percent of chicks are happy to get that extra 1000 the next morning actually...
My Take :
1. Ok, she has her rates, and you have your rates. You say f--k that if the price is not discussed. That is fine. What you do doesnt affect anyone else. Like I always say. If one does not learn or take heed from someone else's example or advice, the locals will teach you. It's just a matter of timing.
2. The fact that you never had that type of reaction before, should be a wake up call that there may be many reactions you havent experienced yet. And this incident goes to show, you are not exempt from potentially experiencing a whole lot more reactions you never had before. What PTC said is a truism. A incident like yours could have gone to a whole different extreme than a chick just getting mad, and leaving. And if it did get much worse, you would be saying the same thing. "I never had that type of reaction before."
3. Apparently you contributed to your own disappointment by not realizing and possibly underestimating that that chick might have her own expectations of what she was owed. That she was conducting sloppy business with you, and she wasnt staying longer because she liked you. She was there to get extra money. An invisible meter ( with no display ) was attached to her pussy.
4. A self serving statistic does not protect one from what can happen on a case by case basis. One only needs one major incident ( that 1 % ) that might change a person's whole outlook on how important it is to protect oneself from extreme drama and losses.
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If u don't know her or know the game well enough.... Keep whatsapp receipts of prices discussed and for what. Don't be afraid to talk nasty af to convey what u want and expect. It's your money. That way u got recourse if shit goes awol.
Keep your frame. They will try. Them dominican chics are honestly too feisty for most dudes... Yet men love them lol.
That chick never coming back to where I live fam.....i sometimes like to play mind games with them, so i might see her somewhere and get her a couple beers OR something a little more than the extra money she wanted and tell her to her face but very cool manner that based on how you acted that morning i could never invite you over again ever. And just basically tell her in a longer period of time she could have gotten way more outta me than worry about an extra 1000 pesos....
Would she care? I have no idea, but will give her something to thing about and prob help her and the next man...
In my estimation, to have the inclination to do all of that just because she was mad and ungrateful for what she had to leave with, is demonstrating a degree of Butthurt on your part. You want some sort of vengeance against this chick just because of her reaction?
You want to let her know that you could never invite her over again? Just not hiring her again isnt enough? And you want her to know, that she could have gotten way more outta you than the extra 1000 you paid her. Playing devils advocate again. How was she supposed to know that? Neither one of you are the type to offer full disclosure on your thoughts or intentions when it comes to business and cost.
That chick is in the business of making money. Chances are she'll have many more opportunities to replace her potential losses of you hiring her again, to the point that she wont be even thinking about what she is supposedly missing. Locals arent necessarily wired to feel loss the way we expect them to.
And if she does step to you, that aint nothing to rejoice over. Thats just her doing business. If you leave her alone, you dont get that good pussy. But you'll be thinking about it, because her reaction bothered you after having a good time with her. You want to resolve that feeling inside, dont you?
If you give in, even if you get the terms straight, you will know who is really better at this game. Never say never, unless it's true. You'd be better off saying the chick is suspended until further notice. That is more believable. LOL
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Whether a rookie mistake or a vet mistake, I think many forget that the chicas are in Sosua to earn money (business). Everything outside of what was agreed on (business) is business. There are no freebies with someone that does not know you. In her mind, once she is aloud to spend the night, and you hit it in the morning, a payment is to be made because it is another business transaction. Further more in her mind she thinks you know that. That is why you should make things totally clear. Changing from short time to over night changed the business transaction. That should have immediately changed the mongers thought pattern to ask the question, how much, when she decided to stay all night?
I had one who really did not want to leave. I told her if she stays she can sleep and eat, but I am not paying, it is her choice. Well all was good the next day with out a hitch. Luckily for the OP nothing strong came of it. If you ignore her you will see if she eyes you down, if she does that will mean she would like to see you again. The OP said the session was fantastic. Hell I would be looking for her again lol. Bottom line, remember this is a business. Only when you know a chica very well it is less business.
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Whether a rookie mistake or a vet mistake, I think many forget that the chicas are in Sosua to earn money (business). Everything outside of what was agreed on (business) is business. There are no freebies with someone that does not know you. In her mind, once she is aloud to spend the night, and you hit it in the morning, a payment is to be made because it is another business transaction. Further more in her mind she thinks you know that. That is why you should make things totally clear. Changing from short time to over night changed the business transaction. That should have immediately changed the mongers thought pattern to ask the question, how much, when she decided to stay all night?
I had one who really did not want to leave. I told her if she stays she can sleep and eat, but I am not paying, it is her choice. Well all was good the next day with out a hitch. Luckily for the OP nothing strong came of it. If you ignore her you will see if she eyes you down, if she does that will mean she would like to see you again. The OP said the session was fantastic. Hell I would be looking for her again lol. Bottom line, remember this is a business. Only when you know a chica very well it is less business.
This is on point. When a ST turns into TLN I’m definitely not hitting it in the morning unless she initiates sex. Even then I’m going to tell her if she wants dick I’m not paying for her to have it. Stranger or regular they’re prone to think that if they f--k twice they get paid twice. If you want to f--k in the morning it’s best to ask her how much it’s going to cost.
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Whether a rookie mistake or a vet mistake, I think many forget that the chicas are in Sosua to earn money (business). Everything outside of what was agreed on (business) is business. There are no freebies with someone that does not know you. In her mind, once she is aloud to spend the night, and you hit it in the morning, a payment is to be made because it is another business transaction. Further more in her mind she thinks you know that. That is why you should make things totally clear. Changing from short time to over night changed the business transaction. That should have immediately changed the mongers thought pattern to ask the question, how much, when she decided to stay all night?
I had one who really did not want to leave. I told her if she stays she can sleep and eat, but I am not paying, it is her choice. Well all was good the next day with out a hitch. Luckily for the OP nothing strong came of it. If you ignore her you will see if she eyes you down, if she does that will mean she would like to see you again. The OP said the session was fantastic. Hell I would be looking for her again lol. Bottom line, remember this is a business. Only when you know a chica very well it is less business.
well said.
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Whether a rookie mistake or a vet mistake, I think many forget that the chicas are in Sosua to earn money (business). Everything outside of what was agreed on (business) is business. There are no freebies with someone that does not know you. In her mind, once she is aloud to spend the night, and you hit it in the morning, a payment is to be made because it is another business transaction. Further more in her mind she thinks you know that. That is why you should make things totally clear. Changing from short time to over night changed the business transaction. That should have immediately changed the mongers thought pattern to ask the question, how much, when she decided to stay all night?
I had one who really did not want to leave. I told her if she stays she can sleep and eat, but I am not paying, it is her choice. Well all was good the next day with out a hitch. Luckily for the OP nothing strong came of it. If you ignore her you will see if she eyes you down, if she does that will mean she would like to see you again. The OP said the session was fantastic. Hell I would be looking for her again lol. Bottom line, remember this is a business. Only when you know a chica very well it is less business.
This is on point. When a ST turns into TLN I’m definitely not hitting it in the morning unless she initiates sex. Even then I’m going to tell her if she wants dick I’m not paying for her to have it. Stranger or regular they’re prone to think that if they f--k twice they get paid twice. If you want to f--k in the morning it’s best to ask her how much it’s going to cost.
That's on her. Personally, I have one price. Price of access. She stays that's on her. If she let me f--k in the morning. Same price. I rather had slept without her. My girl gets pissed off when I sprawl across the bed after she gets up to go to work. I rather sleep alone. For most dudes, TLN is just an ego thing. Most of us aren't f--king all night.
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I also suggest when you’re negotiating TLN the you explicitly tell her “sexo en la noche y sexo en la mañana”. Then if she doesn’t come through in the morning you can reduce her payment. Understand though if you pass out drunk and miss the sexo en la noche you’ve kinda like miss the first round.
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Whether a rookie mistake or a vet mistake, I think many forget that the chicas are in Sosua to earn money (business). Everything outside of what was agreed on (business) is business. There are no freebies with someone that does not know you. In her mind, once she is aloud to spend the night, and you hit it in the morning, a payment is to be made because it is another business transaction. Further more in her mind she thinks you know that. That is why you should make things totally clear. Changing from short time to over night changed the business transaction. That should have immediately changed the mongers thought pattern to ask the question, how much, when she decided to stay all night?
I had one who really did not want to leave. I told her if she stays she can sleep and eat, but I am not paying, it is her choice. Well all was good the next day with out a hitch. Luckily for the OP nothing strong came of it. If you ignore her you will see if she eyes you down, if she does that will mean she would like to see you again. The OP said the session was fantastic. Hell I would be looking for her again lol. Bottom line, remember this is a business. Only when you know a chica very well it is less business.
This is on point. When a ST turns into TLN I’m definitely not hitting it in the morning unless she initiates sex. Even then I’m going to tell her if she wants dick I’m not paying for her to have it. Stranger or regular they’re prone to think that if they f--k twice they get paid twice. If you want to f--k in the morning it’s best to ask her how much it’s going to cost.
That's on her. Personally, I have one price. Price of access. She stays that's on her. If she let me f--k in the morning. Same price. I rather had slept without her. My girl gets pissed off when I sprawl across the bed after she gets up to go to work. I rather sleep alone. For most dudes, TLN is just an ego thing. Most of us aren't f--king all night.
Lazy, that might work for you, but for the ordinary monger I strongly suggest taking my advice.
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Quick story... So got with one of them.. she said I can pay her 2500... I didn't make any offer... She did.
She comes over, i pay the taxi 300 pesos, that's curfew prices, since it's better to use that than a moto. But I should have made her ass use a moto, first mistake...
She comes in, everything is all great, drank with me, etc... f--ked of course....
She ended up staying all night... f--ked the morning...
She got ready to leave like 7 am... And I gave her $3500...
No thanks, nada. Just, "so you really gonna give that only?".
She said, it should be $5000.
I was like, "sorry I don't have that, i am giving you more than what we agreed on and it's all i have, you can't even say thanks and keep it pushing?". I was like, you and I can chill again and I would give you more...
This chick stormed out my place and slammed the door and everything ... which got me pissed the f--k off, i wanted to knock her head off, but kept it cool...
So this chick, who was great in bed, turned out to be a f--king did personality wise... I wasn't expecting that reaction, thought she was smarter, and just more graceful than that.... But can't trust non of them, really gotta talk and lay out everything...
Proud Simp,
You don’t have the right to be angry with the chica. She didn’t do anything wrong. You both agreed upon an initial price that was NOT explicitly for a TLN. She came over and ya’ll initially smashed on a ST rate (2,500 pesos).
You said “She ended up staying all night.” How did this happen? What do you mean? It’s your place, and you’re the only one who has control over who stays there.
She wanted to stay (which was an up-sell strategy), and you agreed to the up-sell with your actions. (You allowed her to stay, and you continued to smash).
When you smashed a second time, that put you at two ST rate smashes @ 2500 each, so yes, she was fair and correct to expect a total of 5,000 pesos from you.
If the chica decided to stand her ground for that 5,000 pesos, she would’ve had every right to make your day miserable, because technically, you f--ked up and you shorted her. You were wrong.
If a chica who didn’t come for TLN wants to make it a TLN, ya’ll have to discuss $$$ before you go any further.
You’re exactly right. The chica wasn’t wrong. Guys rush too much without getting all the details sorted out. Unless you’re with a regular that you trust, work out the agreement before you get in the room.
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This is why before i go to sleep with a chica I always ask " quieres mas dinero dormir contigo?" sometimes they will want an extra 1.5-2k pesos other times they want to just sleep in a comfortable AC controlled room lol.
Communication is free never assume
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I also suggest when you’re negotiating TLN the you explicitly tell her “sexo en la noche y sexo en la mañana”. Then if she doesn’t come through in the morning you can reduce her payment. Understand though if you pass out drunk and miss the sexo en la noche you’ve kinda like miss the first round.
That is a reasonable suggestion. That may produce a reduction in headaches later. However, telling her, and her agreeing, does not mean anything if the chick changes her mind. Even if a guy decides to pay her less. It can still go sideways, with her demanding to be paid in full, and refusing to leave.
But your suggestion is much better than , saying nothing at all.
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Whether a rookie mistake or a vet mistake, I think many forget that the chicas are in Sosua to earn money (business). Everything outside of what was agreed on (business) is business. There are no freebies with someone that does not know you. In her mind, once she is aloud to spend the night, and you hit it in the morning, a payment is to be made because it is another business transaction. Further more in her mind she thinks you know that. That is why you should make things totally clear. Changing from short time to over night changed the business transaction. That should have immediately changed the mongers thought pattern to ask the question, how much, when she decided to stay all night?
I had one who really did not want to leave. I told her if she stays she can sleep and eat, but I am not paying, it is her choice. Well all was good the next day with out a hitch. Luckily for the OP nothing strong came of it. If you ignore her you will see if she eyes you down, if she does that will mean she would like to see you again. The OP said the session was fantastic. Hell I would be looking for her again lol. Bottom line, remember this is a business. Only when you know a chica very well it is less business.
This is on point. When a ST turns into TLN I’m definitely not hitting it in the morning unless she initiates sex. Even then I’m going to tell her if she wants dick I’m not paying for her to have it. Stranger or regular they’re prone to think that if they f--k twice they get paid twice. If you want to f--k in the morning it’s best to ask her how much it’s going to cost.
That's on her. Personally, I have one price. Price of access. She stays that's on her. If she let me f--k in the morning. Same price. I rather had slept without her. My girl gets pissed off when I sprawl across the bed after she gets up to go to work. I rather sleep alone. For most dudes, TLN is just an ego thing. Most of us aren't f--king all night.
Lazy, that might work for you, but for the ordinary monger I strongly suggest taking my advice.
Fair enough. Experience and personality does lead to different interaction. Just from reading this forum, I definitely deal with them differently than a lot dudes on here. I have to deal with corporate America nonsense on a daily basis, I should be able to handle a twentysomething hooker in a third world country.
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This is why before i go to sleep with a chica I always ask " quieres mas dinero dormir contigo?" sometimes they will want an extra 1.5-2k pesos other times they want to just sleep in a comfortable AC controlled room lol.
Communication is free never assume
Thats one way to do it. A riskier way. Is not to ask if she wants more money. Just tell her flat out that you do not have any more money to give her. NONE! Not for her sleeping or for sex. I mainly suggest doing that with known chicas with a good history.
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Fair enough. Experience and personality does lead to different interaction. Just from reading this forum, I definitely deal with them differently than a lot dudes on here. I have to deal with corporate America nonsense on a daily basis, I should be able to handle a twentysomething hooker in a third world country.
That you should. However, it may not be specifically the third world hooker one should be concerned about. It may be more about the potential issues one may find themselves in, if they end up dealing with her third world back up representatives. ( Police, or perhaps some local men she knows that may be unsympathetic to your case ). The skills used for corporate America may not be applicable here dealing with DR hookers.
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Fair enough. Experience and personality does lead to different interaction. Just from reading this forum, I definitely deal with them differently than a lot dudes on here. I have to deal with corporate America nonsense on a daily basis, I should be able to handle a twentysomething hooker in a third world country.
That you should. However, it may not be specifically the third world hooker one should be concerned about. It may be more about the potential issues one may find themselves in, if they end up dealing with her third world back up representatives. ( Police, or perhaps some local men she knows that may be unsympathetic to your case ).
Correct. I grew up in Kingston, Jamaica and I have travel all over Latin America. I have dealt with f--kery. I am not encouraging my behavior by any means. Just telling how I roll. My one angry chica experience in Sosua involved a chick pulling a knife on me. My boy got the police called on him and he waited until they showed up and even with hotel security(drunk old dude) siding with her, he handled the situation.
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Fair enough. Experience and personality does lead to different interaction. Just from reading this forum, I definitely deal with them differently than a lot dudes on here. I have to deal with corporate America nonsense on a daily basis, I should be able to handle a twentysomething hooker in a third world country.
That you should. However, it may not be specifically the third world hooker one should be concerned about. It may be more about the potential issues one may find themselves in, if they end up dealing with her third world back up representatives. ( Police, or perhaps some local men she knows that may be unsympathetic to your case ).
Correct. I grew up in Kingston, Jamaica and I have travel all over Latin America. I have dealt with f--kery. I am not encouraging my behavior by any means. Just telling how I roll. My one angry chica experience in Sosua involved a chick pulling a knife on me. My boy got the police called on him and he waited until they showed up and even with hotel security(drunk old dude) siding with her, he handled the situation.
That worked out ok for him. And it's true, some times things do work out for us guys for a change. His example is representative of what can happen to someone, if fortunate.
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Fair enough. Experience and personality does lead to different interaction. Just from reading this forum, I definitely deal with them differently than a lot dudes on here. I have to deal with corporate America nonsense on a daily basis, I should be able to handle a twentysomething hooker in a third world country.
That you should. However, it may not be specifically the third world hooker one should be concerned about. It may be more about the potential issues one may find themselves in, if they end up dealing with her third world back up representatives. ( Police, or perhaps some local men she knows that may be unsympathetic to your case ).
Correct. I grew up in Kingston, Jamaica and I have travel all over Latin America. I have dealt with f--kery. I am not encouraging my behavior by any means. Just telling how I roll. My one angry chica experience in Sosua involved a chick pulling a knife on me. My boy got the police called on him and he waited until they showed up and even with hotel security(drunk old dude) siding with her, he handled the situation.
That worked out ok for him. And it's true, some times things do work out for us guys for a change. His example is representative of what can happen to someone, if fortunate.
He knew the risk, he is an experience traveler, speaks Spanish. He called her bluff. I know just pay them off is the easier way out but I am about to be an expat and I can't go down that route. You may here about a gringo killed in Colombia eventually but I ain't paying off everybody who says "boo!"
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Fair enough. Experience and personality does lead to different interaction. Just from reading this forum, I definitely deal with them differently than a lot dudes on here. I have to deal with corporate America nonsense on a daily basis, I should be able to handle a twentysomething hooker in a third world country.
That you should. However, it may not be specifically the third world hooker one should be concerned about. It may be more about the potential issues one may find themselves in, if they end up dealing with her third world back up representatives. ( Police, or perhaps some local men she knows that may be unsympathetic to your case ).
Correct. I grew up in Kingston, Jamaica and I have travel all over Latin America. I have dealt with f--kery. I am not encouraging my behavior by any means. Just telling how I roll. My one angry chica experience in Sosua involved a chick pulling a knife on me. My boy got the police called on him and he waited until they showed up and even with hotel security(drunk old dude) siding with her, he handled the situation.
That worked out ok for him. And it's true, some times things do work out for us guys for a change. His example is representative of what can happen to someone, if fortunate.
He knew the risk, he is an experience traveler, speaks Spanish. He called her bluff. I know just pay them off is the easier way out but I am about to be an expat and I can't go down that route. You may here about a gringo killed in Colombia eventually but I ain't paying off everybody who says "boo!"
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Lazy, I applaud your backbone.
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Fair enough. Experience and personality does lead to different interaction. Just from reading this forum, I definitely deal with them differently than a lot dudes on here. I have to deal with corporate America nonsense on a daily basis, I should be able to handle a twentysomething hooker in a third world country.
That you should. However, it may not be specifically the third world hooker one should be concerned about. It may be more about the potential issues one may find themselves in, if they end up dealing with her third world back up representatives. ( Police, or perhaps some local men she knows that may be unsympathetic to your case ).
Correct. I grew up in Kingston, Jamaica and I have travel all over Latin America. I have dealt with f--kery. I am not encouraging my behavior by any means. Just telling how I roll. My one angry chica experience in Sosua involved a chick pulling a knife on me. My boy got the police called on him and he waited until they showed up and even with hotel security(drunk old dude) siding with her, he handled the situation.
That worked out ok for him. And it's true, some times things do work out for us guys for a change. His example is representative of what can happen to someone, if fortunate.
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Fair enough. Experience and personality does lead to different interaction. Just from reading this forum, I definitely deal with them differently than a lot dudes on here. I have to deal with corporate America nonsense on a daily basis, I should be able to handle a twentysomething hooker in a third world country.
That you should. However, it may not be specifically the third world hooker one should be concerned about. It may be more about the potential issues one may find themselves in, if they end up dealing with her third world back up representatives. ( Police, or perhaps some local men she knows that may be unsympathetic to your case ).
Correct. I grew up in Kingston, Jamaica and I have travel all over Latin America. I have dealt with f--kery. I am not encouraging my behavior by any means. Just telling how I roll. My one angry chica experience in Sosua involved a chick pulling a knife on me. My boy got the police called on him and he waited until they showed up and even with hotel security(drunk old dude) siding with her, he handled the situation.
That worked out ok for him. And it's true, some times things do work out for us guys for a change. His example is representative of what can happen to someone, if fortunate.
He knew the risk, he is an experience traveler, speaks Spanish. He called her bluff. I know just pay them off is the easier way out but I am about to be an expat and I can't go down that route. You may here about a gringo killed in Colombia eventually but I ain't paying off everybody who says "boo!"
Perhaps it is easier just to pay them. However, I dont ascribe automatic payments the 1st sign of trouble. The key is, what I have said enough times :
1. One has to evaluate the situation in the moment. How a monger chooses to handle a situation depends on how he see's it.
2. What I have done in some instances, is stand my ground initially. Sometimes chicas just need to see that you aint gonna just give in the moment she complains. I dont automatically allow some chica to punk me. However what course of action I take if things get ugly is another story.
3. If things get out of hand or the police get involved, defer back to number 1.
Your buddy spoke Spanish. Had some experience under his belt. That might have been the skills that helped the most, plus he evaluated the situation in front of him, and determined it was worth standing his ground. Unlike some characters that act like they have it already figured out of what they are going to do if the cops get involved. Like paying the cops, instead of the chick. Because they aint gonna let no chick extort them. Something that may not even be necessary or an issue. Thats why it's better to evaluate a situation, and choose the best course of action based on the facts. Not no knee jerk assumption of what one is going to do.
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Your buddy spoke Spanish. Had some experience under his belt. That might have been the skills that helped the most, plus he evaluated the situation in front of him, and determined it was worth standing his ground. Unlike some characters that act like they have it already figured out of what they are going to do if the cops get involved. Like paying the cops, instead of the chick. Because they aint gonna let no chick extort them. Something that may not even be necessary or an issue. Thats why it's better to evaluate a situation, and choose the best course of action based on the facts. Not no knee jerk assumption of what one is going to do.
You are right. That is why always put a caveat that this is one aspect of traveling that while I am willing to share my experiences I am not making recommendations. But yeah, experience matters and he is more of a traveler than vacationer so that does affect his approach. It is a different approach when you view yourself as traveler rather than a vacationer.
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Write these words down:
recuerdas que te dije que no era un gringo tonto, entonces no me jodas
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TLN...that's a joke...you see at the club around 10/11pm...you buy her a drink, talk for 5 minutes or so, see if you like her...TELL HER YOUR PRICE...she leave in the morning...You just pay to sleep in your bed.....you f--k for 30 minutes roll over and sleep...That's TLN..(all night)
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TLN...that's a joke...you see at the club around 10/11pm...you buy her a drink, talk for 5 minutes or so, see if you like her...TELL HER YOUR PRICE...she leave in the morning...You just pay to sleep in your bed.....you f--k for 30 minutes roll over and sleep...That's TLN..(all night)
Exactly. You paying a chick to sleep.
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Some of them will try to establish a traumatic bond[sex as a weapon] if they think you are weak and use you for everything they want. Sadly, being used on a daily basis makes people very calloused/insensitive to others, especially people that are easily replaced...you.
Shit there playing on your emotions. they can sense if your like a lonely puppy dog. Sir your getting played like an old fiddle. !
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I always try to beat them to the punch. I asked one in front of her friend, if she would do anal with that higher quote. She frowned and said, normally she doesn't...but if I paid her quote, she would do it for me. Haha
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