One hoe whisperer's perspective on toto economics...

[airportlizard]

A hoe whisperer can complain about how much toto pricing has gone up, hell I'm first in line for that. But we also gotta take into consideration that 1 USD in 2014 only bought you about 44 DOP. As of today, 1 USD buys you about 58 DOP. Said differently, a toto that one used to pay 1500 DOP for back in 2014 would now cost about 2000 DOP. So the options still are: pay current fair price, drop to even lower category, or take "matters" into  one's own hand, thus skipping the expense (and thus the toto) altogether. But of course, one can gripe regardless - and should. That's still free, not to mention highly therapeutic.

Long live the toto

[jd66]

So under that theory if the DOP drops which it will at some point so should the price right
But we all know that price will never go back down

But we also know the prices the putas are attempting to command these days is not 2,000 DOP either.   If they would increase their prices 30% for the increase in the DOP that's probably justified but clearly that is not what is going on in Sosua currently.

The price of pussy should mirror what the market rates are.  And it is not 6,000 RD plus like some of you are paying

The problem isn't with the increase in the DOP it is the weak ass dudes that cave in to the putas demands.
Sosua chicas especially try to get a price that is way higher than market and as soon as the weak boys start paying those inflated rates it effectively sets a new market for Sosua that isn't really reality.

Overpay a chica once and it isn't long before every chica in town knows what you pay and your stuck pretty much forever.

Dudes will use many methods to justify overpaying for things.  Just own it.

[airportlizard]

Point well taken. But I think you mean if the DOP RISES against the dollar (less DOP's per USD's, over the long term the trend is always more DOP's per USD's). You're correct, chica expectations on the toto price would not drop if the DOP rose, but as you passionately ( and rightly alluded to ) it's up to us the hoe whisperers to keep them in line, by holding the line.

[murano2010]

Weak ass dudes are dudes that havent learned how to adapt to a flexible market whose prices are not etched in stone.    If a dude chooses to over pay thats on him.   That does not automatically mean the next guy is subject to pay a super inflated price, because of what some previous guys paid.   Or because some particular chicks want more.   

There are dozens of choices in Sosua.  No man should be pining over chicks with high prices, or pissed off because some other dudes f--ked chicks that they want too. 

Some chicks quote high, but that doesnt mean that is their bottom line.  There is a distinct difference between demands without budging vs hopes and expectations when it comes to chicas pricing themselves.   In most cases, the latter is the case. 

Chicks are just hoping for a big pay day.   Too many numnuts walk around with the notion that a chica quoting an inflated price is her raising the market price, when that may not be the case at all.   She just may not want to miss out on a big pay day, if the guy is an over payer.   Just because one is told something, doesnt make it the price.

Do you know how many chicas dropped their prices almost immediately, the moment a guy declined or hesitated?   Or chicks that followed up later to come back to accept an offer they refused earlier? 

The DR is a country where people negotiate.  And if there is no meeting of the minds at 1st try, you move on and find somebody else that will provide the service and your price.   What muggs need to stop doing is blaming inflation on what other men do, and start taking responsibility for maybe what the real problem is, their entitlement mentality and/or lack of negotiation skills.   

Another responsibility of the monger is to establish regulars, so one doesnt have to complain about chicas raising prices or providing poor service.  Or worrying about how other men spend their money.    The chick I had the other night was an old regular.  I gave her 3000 for ST. 

Maybe she will expect more from some other cat.  I dont give a shit about what some other man pays.  His business does not affect how I handle my business.   He may pay $100, but he doesnt know I paid 3000 pesos.   Thats between the chick and myself.  Thats how Sosua business works. 

Dozens of men paying a particular chick 3000 doesnt bring the price down, nor does dudes paying $100 to a bunch of chicas brings their cost of pussy up.  Thats a flawed assumption, not necessarily a fact.   There is individual responsibility involved in what the cost is.    Im in charge of pursuing the services and price from the provider I negotiate with.  And so is the next man.

[jd66]

Wrong Murano but I wouldn't expect you to understand how it works even though you claim to be a long timer.

But I wouldn't expect someone that really isn't in the mix of what's going on to know either
Gotta participate and if you are not really into the game which you clearly are not you can't really know what's really up.

[airportlizard]

I don't blame inflation for what some uninformed, thirsty dude does with his money. I convert everything to USD in my mind. In my first trip to to DR back in the late 90's, I paid no more then 35 USD for ST, now I stick to 40 or 45, if she's worth it to me. Experienced or not, that's what I do. My only point was that there are dudes that may be holding on to DOP pricing from years ago, and boo hoo hoo about it. That's all. That's the group I was addressing. Neither one of you fine gentleman needs my advice, I have read enough of your posts to both know that and to respect your level of insight and experience on the topic. I like to think that I never stop learning, and feel I will die the day that I do. Appreciate both your responses.

[justin_credible]

Weak ass dudes are dudes that havent learned how to adapt to a flexible market whose prices are not etched in stone.    If a dude chooses to over pay thats on him.   That does not automatically mean the next guy is subject to pay a super inflated price, because of what some previous guys paid.   Or because some particular chicks want more.   

There are dozens of choices in Sosua.  No man should be pining over chicks with high prices, or pissed off because some other dudes f--ked chicks that they want too. 

Some chicks quote high, but that doesnt mean that is their bottom line.  There is a distinct difference between demands without budging vs hopes and expectations when it comes to chicas pricing themselves.   In most cases, the latter is the case. 

Chicks are just hoping for a big pay day.   Too many numnuts walk around with the notion that a chica quoting an inflated price is her raising the market price, when that may not be the case at all.   She just may not want to miss out on a big pay day, if the guy is an over payer.   Just because one is told something, doesnt make it the price.

Do you know how many chicas dropped their prices almost immediately, the moment a guy declined or hesitated?   Or chicks that followed up later to come back to accept an offer they refused earlier? 

The DR is a country where people negotiate.  And if there is no meeting of the minds at 1st try, you move on and find somebody else that will provide the service and your price.   What muggs need to stop doing is blaming inflation on what other men do, and start taking responsibility for maybe what the real problem is, their entitlement mentality and/or lack of negotiation skills.   

Another responsibility of the monger is to establish regulars, so one doesnt have to complain about chicas raising prices or providing poor service.  Or worrying about how other men spend their money.    The chick I had the other night was an old regular.  I gave her 3000 for ST. 

Maybe she will expect more from some other cat.  I dont give a shit about what some other man pays.  His business does not affect how I handle my business.   He may pay $100, but he doesnt know I paid 3000 pesos.   Thats between the chick and myself.  Thats how Sosua business works. 

Dozens of men paying a particular chick 3000 doesnt bring the price down, nor does dudes paying $100 to a bunch of chicas brings their cost of pussy up.  Thats a flawed assumption, not necessarily a fact.   There is individual responsibility involved in what the cost is.    Im in charge of pursuing the services and price from the provider I negotiate with.  And so is the next man.

Murano, you're 100% spot on and this post needs to be saved and enshrined.

I think what Airportlizard wants to state is that the price floor has increased from 1500-2000 pesos in 2017, and who is to blame? Hardly any DECENT looking Chicka will take that today.  Some people believe toto price doesn't include inflationary pressures with the outside world, while other do. I tend to believe the latter. Your paycheck, gas, flights, food have increased worldwide tremendously but we expect the price floor of toto to remain the same and not be impacted by outside factors? Many posters seem to want to only blame the gringo, and although that's a piece of the story, it's missing a couple pieces of the puzzle.

Sosua's strength is that, as one poster here mentioned, it's an open-air market that favors the smart negotiator who waits for opportune times and situationally strikes when it benefits him the most. For example, you would NEVER catch me at the casino negotiating with any girl because in that environment, you're going to pay significantly more for the same product.
Another Sosua strength is that it is filled with 5 and 6 's so if you don't mind mid-tier chickas, you can have your fill at that affordable 3000 peso price mention above.

Weaknesses of Sosua include that top tier chickas can always command an inflated price because...supply and demand. The supply for top tier girls has never been high there, so it is what it is. Why? They have more options with regards to travel and making $ online.

[airportlizard]

"situationally strikes", I like that. Kinda like being a stealth monger-ninja. That would be a good nic for someone who has an Emeritus PHD degree in toto procuring dynamics.

[stinqu]

I agree with Justin, plenty of mid-level chicas for 3,000p. Yes prices of "every thing" in DR are double what they were 5 years ago. I do most of my own cooking, so I know the price increases at the Playero , 5,000p was enough food for the month, last month I spent 10,000p.

[tugboaboat5393]

Bingo i was in sosua for 60 days mid winter correct food prices have gone up  almost the same as the USA,   as far as chica prices thats gone up just negotiate  a fair price, the longer your there you can spot tenderonis milfs  srmi ptos
for decent prices and services,, Dont get hosed by hoes !!

[murano2010]

Murano, you're 100% spot on and this post needs to be saved and enshrined.

I think what Airportlizard wants to state is that the price floor has increased from 1500-2000 pesos in 2017, and who is to blame? Hardly any DECENT looking Chicka will take that today.  Some people believe toto price doesn't include inflationary pressures with the outside world, while other do. I tend to believe the latter. Your paycheck, gas, flights, food have increased worldwide tremendously but we expect the price floor of toto to remain the same and not be impacted by outside factors? Many posters seem to want to only blame the gringo, and although that's a piece of the story, it's missing a couple pieces of the puzzle.

Well said, and I agree.  One can just listen to locals.   Their cost of living and day to day expense increases affects them considerably.  If something costs more than what they were used to paying, they take that very seriously.    Paying an increase of 100 to 500 pesos for something to a local is like an American paying an increase of $10 to $50 more for something.   If their rent went up by 1000 pesos a month, that would affect them considerably.

During the plandemic when public transportation was suspended, and then eventually allowed to resume, the public taxi service proposed an increase in their services.  The local public went ballistic.   Us foreigners would not have thought the increases was severe or unfair, but the locals definitely felt the increases was too high.   

Even where locals shop, they have experienced increases of their goods and services.   It's only natural that locals costs will be passed onto foreigners in one form or another.    The other thing thats significant, is that locals pay attention to the buying power of foreigners.   The knowing locals advise the unknowing locals, that our buying power has increased due to the exchange rates. 

Dominicans abroad advise and teach folks back home on everything their kin folk need to know about foreigners, and the areas where they may be able to use that information to exploit foreigners.    Thats how we got so many locals trying to do business with us in US currency instead of talking in pesos.   Theyve been schooled.


Sosua's strength is that, as one poster here mentioned, it's an open-air market that favors the smart negotiator who waits for opportune times and situationally strikes when it benefits him the most. For example, you would NEVER catch me at the casino negotiating with any girl because in that environment, you're going to pay significantly more for the same product.
Another Sosua strength is that it is filled with 5 and 6 's so if you don't mind mid-tier chickas, you can have your fill at that affordable 3000 peso price mention above.

Weaknesses of Sosua include that top tier chickas can always command an inflated price because...supply and demand. The supply for top tier girls has never been high there, so it is what it is. Why? They have more options with regards to travel and making $ online.


Here's something else we may not address much.   Some cats ( especially those older ) may not be overly focused on rigid beauty standards in who and what they find attractive.   

Whereas Ive seen enough guys ( especially guys much younger ) that are heavily focused on needing women to look like an 8 or above.  Anything less, would be a major disappointment for them.   

Im in the middle somewhere.  I dont need a 8 or above, and I dont need a chick to be flawless in appearance.   When I discern quality in a woman or p4p provider, I look for what I find attractive, someone I can vibe with, which includes someone that gives me the incentive to want to hire them again.       


 

[justin_credible]

Whereas Ive seen enough guys ( especially guys much younger ) that are heavily focused on needing women to look like an 8 or above.  Anything less, would be a major disappointment for them.   

Personally, as much as I love value, I don't blame the young cat's mentality one bit in that regard. This may be their only chance at Sosua in their lifetime because of funds and they want the best of the best because they have traveled 1000 miles to get that toto, and they got to accomplish that vision before they die. I get it, and that school is thinking is not wrong, but I believe if you're looking for "dimes" Colombia, at least before 2024, is the spot to go and not Sosua. More of them, cheaper, and better service simply because the population is greater than your 4 block Sosua.

I like to try and spot the "non pro" Chika looking to make a few bucks and who isn't your Sosua Regular. Those are the best times and value that I find. Give me two averages looking non Sosua girls for 3000 pesos than your 100USD (or more) girls that are chilling at Baileys.

[murano2010]

I was thinking of something.  When p4p women put a high price tag on themselves, guys could use their own vacation expenses as leverage in their negotiations with those women.   

I got the idea from my Haitian regular who has always complained to me about her problems and about money.   In her case, I dont respond to any of it.   Especially when it's in text and not face to face. 

But if I was put in the position where I had to respond, I'd just keep telling them about my own financial problems.   Roxanne in Nairobi Kenya pressed me a couple of times, on when am I coming back to Nairobi.   I just left Nairobi less than a month ago.  Normally, a guy might be flattered by that.   Probably start thinking about trying to make it back as soon as possible.   I was.   But..........

The truth is, a trip back to Nairobi involves spending a lot of money.   So when she came at me with when are you coming back, I told her that if she helps me pay my trip expenses, I'll be back sooner than later.    That kinda shut her up.    She wont put any of her money towards me coming back.   So there is no need to keep bringing it up.

Even the nice chicks think our trips are just a drop in the bucket.  They dont know and dont care how much it costs.  I dont think any man should let chicks encourage them to make major financial moves, which really turns out to be mainly for their benefit.   I will get there when I get there.

And no man should be overly concerned, that the chick wont be available when he gets back there.   Some guys plan return trips quickly for that very reason.    I notice when a man gives women a taste of their own medicine, telling them about how expensive shit is, they back the f--k off or dont want to hear it.

As for p4p?  Some chicks just might entertain the idea of a man supposedly not having a lot of p4p money on hand after what it took to get back, and may be willing to be more flexible.     I told one guy, If a chick seems reluctant to take your offer ( or counter offer ), just give the chick your number. 

Tell her to reach out if she changes her mind or becomes available.  Some chicks may be more flexible with price when it seems they are making the choice on their terms.   

[tugboaboat5393]

Whereas Ive seen enough guys ( especially guys much younger ) that are heavily focused on needing women to look like an 8 or above.  Anything less, would be a major disappointment for them.   

Personally, as much as I love value, I don't blame the young cat's mentality one bit in that regard. This may be their only chance at Sosua in their lifetime because of funds and they want the best of the best because they have traveled 1000 miles to get that toto, and they got to accomplish that vision before they die. I get it, and that school is thinking is not wrong, but I believe if you're looking for "dimes" Colombia, at least before 2024, is the spot to go and not Sosua. More of them, cheaper, and better service simply because the population is greater than your 4 block Sosua.

I like to try and spot the "non pro" Chika looking to make a few bucks and who isn't your Sosua Regular. Those are the best times and value that I find. Give me two averages looking non Sosua girls for 3000 pesos than your 100USD (or more) girls that are chilling at Baileys.

I think the young cats are fools over paying, and not even doing there home work   Sure its like fantasy island to the newbie,,,,,If this rotten ecomey goes deeper into a reccession there going to be less newbies going , less disposable income,,,, My chica with a regular job, hours got cut back  only 2 guest at a 12 room hotel   Dont forget its the slow season ! just my 2 Cents !

[murano2010]

Whereas Ive seen enough guys ( especially guys much younger ) that are heavily focused on needing women to look like an 8 or above.  Anything less, would be a major disappointment for them.   

Personally, as much as I love value, I don't blame the young cat's mentality one bit in that regard. This may be their only chance at Sosua in their lifetime because of funds and they want the best of the best because they have traveled 1000 miles to get that toto, and they got to accomplish that vision before they die. I get it, and that school is thinking is not wrong, but I believe if you're looking for "dimes" Colombia, at least before 2024, is the spot to go and not Sosua. More of them, cheaper, and better service simply because the population is greater than your 4 block Sosua.

I like to try and spot the "non pro" Chika looking to make a few bucks and who isn't your Sosua Regular. Those are the best times and value that I find. Give me two averages looking non Sosua girls for 3000 pesos than your 100USD (or more) girls that are chilling at Baileys.

I think the young cats are fools over paying, and not even doing there home work   Sure its like fantasy island to the newbie,,,,,If this rotten ecomey goes deeper into a reccession there going to be less newbies going , less disposable income,,,, My chica with a regular job, hours got cut back  only 2 guest at a 12 room hotel   Dont forget its the slow season ! just my 2 Cents !

But dig Tug.  What is the definition of overpaying?   Any cat can be considered overpaying if he's giving a chick benefits she hasnt fully earned.    And besides, overpaying can come in many different forms.   

One guy may pay a chick $150 for an hour.  Another dude buys a chick a pasola or pays her rent.   Either way, both gestures could be considered overpaying a chick.   Am I wrong?    The guy that buys a chick a pasola or pays her rent, is the one who has to rationalize that the chick fully earned it.   When we know deep down, thats not really the case.   

Those type of gestures catapult women way ahead of what they have earned.   Worse, is  we accept the fact that the women dont really appreciate whats being done for them or they take it for granted.  And yet many men ignore that, and still keep giving unearned benefits.   

I guess my point here Tug is this.  Guys probably shouldnt be complaining about selfishness coming from these women, if they are not going to do anything about it.