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Monger's Health Discussion/Advice
« on: July 19, 2021, 05:34:52 AM »
This thread is dedicated to the esoteric few that can relate and care to share what they learned or observed about health care management.   Especially if it involves minimal input from the traditional medical field.

The question was asked recently about whether someone was vaccinated or not.   Well, I am one of the few that have NOT been vaccinated.  At least not yet.   

I have not been vaccinated.  No 1st shot or 2nd shot.  Result?  No side effects.  No headaches, no fatigue, no colds, no flu,  no blood clots, or temporary heart irregularities.   Never had Covid to my knowledge, and if I did,  there is no sign of it's presence.  I dont anticipate suffering health issues from having taken shots months or years down the road.   Been around a lot of sick people, and never got sick during the whole course of this pandemic, thus far.

Ive been relatively healthy for a number of years, most likely due to a strong immune system, and possibly having developed antibodies naturally without drugs or vaccines.   I acquired most of my information/knowledge as a lay person about natural ways and home remedies for health issues and healing the body without being dependent on doctors or drugs.   I also live in a tropical vitamin D rich environment, and dealt with Covid all around me successfully since it's been on the scene.   

I know the basics.  Diet is number one.  How fasting, the elimination of processed food, consistent elimination of toxins and waste from the blood/body can help heal the body.  How diet contributes to most health issues, and how the use of prescription meds to deal with symptoms of disease and not the cause, is one of the reasons for the majority of people's health issues and them having weak immune systems.   
« Last Edit: July 19, 2021, 07:37:53 AM by murano2010 »
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« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2021, 06:16:43 AM »
Since Ive been on this forum, there have been a few posters in the past that revealed their awareness of alternative means towards optimal health.   The use of vitamins/herbs, home remedies, diet, ones environment etc.   

I believe there is a wealth of information from members from this forum that are well aware that there is more to acquiring optimal health than following the recommendations and guidance of the traditional medical field. 

Where I believe the traditional medical field has failed us,  is by only identifying, and assessing symptoms.  And then treating those symptoms.  Meanwhile totally ignoring the root cause of why the individual has those symptoms. 

Here's is an example.  You are a monger that goes to your doctor.  Been drinking socially, maybe a smoker, maybe using sex enhancement drugs.  Have a bad diet of processed chemical laden food for years.  You eat enough sugar to make yourself pre-diabetic, especially from your intake of soft drinks and desserts.

You feel out of sorts.  Your over 40, and start noticing you are having difficulty peeing.   Or you are over 50, and you are going to the toilet extra frequent.   Your doctor arranges to give you a physical.   He determines your blood pressure is higher than their recommendations.  Your PSA number ( for prostate ) is elevated.   Your blood sugar level and A1C count indicates you are diabetic or prediabetic.   

Once the doctor gathers these stats on you,  whats the 1st course of action that most doctors start with in dealing with your symptoms?   For your HBP,  they may say lay off the alcohol, stay away from caffeine, exercise, get rest.  But last but not least, they will give you a prescription for HBP.   See?   They dont give a shit about your lifestyle, although they pretend that they do.    They know most people do not really want to make major sacrifices when it comes to their indulgences.    The quick fix is offering you drugs to achieve a numerical result.   And the goal isnt to address any illness, it's only to address a symptom.  To lower a number. 

Meanwhile, as you continue with your lifestyle and diet choices, your health is deteriorating.   Things are happening within the body that is leading to major health problems.    But when you started taking HBP meds,  all you were doing was trying to achieve a certain number to satisfy the doctor.     

Same thing when it comes to using statin drugs.  You get a lipid test done.  They determine your cholesterol is too high,  and the process of achieving a desired number becomes the goal.  Not getting to the cause of why ones cholesterol numbers are what they are.   And not to mention.  There is a one size fits all approach to administering those statins to people.   See?   Some folks cholesterol numbers may be naturally higher than other people.  Just as some people their numbers are naturally lower than other folks.   But what the doctors do, is they dont consider that distinction.   They are number focused.

We have to get your 300 number down to what number they come up with.  With no regard to why your body is producing the cholesterol in the 1st place.  Which is most likely due to an inflammatory response that the body is trying to deal with.   But what does the doctor address?   

A cholesterol number, not the cause of the inflammation resulting from the production of cholesterol from the liver.     Once he achieves a certain number, in his mind he's done his job for you.   Meanwhile you still are suffering from the inflammation somewhere in the body.   But the statins he prescribed actually tells the liver to stop producing the life saving cholesterol that your body would need in order to address the inflammation that the cholesterol would normally be used to address it.

Once again, traditional medicine is focused on addressing symptoms and numbers,  not addressing the cause of potential health issues.       
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« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2021, 07:23:55 AM »
Prostate Health

The information that I have come in contact with over the years, suggests that many men have been used as guinea pigs in regards to their prostate health.

For one a large % of men over 50 start to have a common problem.  The urgency to pee a lot, or worse not being able to urinate at all or fully.   So more trips to the toilet are necessary in order to get rid of our urine.    Many of us men deal with having an enlarged prostate.   As the prostate enlarges it wraps itself around another organ I believe it's called the uretha.   And this pretty much blocks the free flow of urine leaving the bladder.  Quite naturally,  as the prostate enlarges, other issues may develop.  Your PSA count may rise due to an enlarged prostate.   One may develop infections.

Also found out years ago, an increase of sexual activity can also cause your PSA number to go up.  I didnt know that then.  And by then,  I was a frequent visitor to the DR,  busting nuts like it was a religion.  But then we have been conditioned to focus mostly on numbers,  not overall health.   A PSA number is not the best indicator to go by to determine overall prostate health.   Or whether or not a person has prostate cancer.

Most mens prostate problems is mostly due to an enlarged prostate, most likely caused by their diet.   And that problem potentially causing other problems like a bladder infection. 

One of the things I learned as a lay person, is that if a man makes major changes in eliminating what caused his prostate to enlarge in the 1st place,  he can reverse it.    One of the 1st things I learned that needs to happen is to deal with the health destroying diet.  Starting with the control and elimination of processed food.  Especially dairy.   Cheese and milk primarily.   

Fried greasy food, and foods with chemicals that may cause an inflammatory response in the body.  Much of the processed food on the market has chemicals that we cant even pronounce.   We are taking in plastics, solvents, dyes, formaldehyde,  you name it, it is in a lot of the processed food we eat, daily.   Also were taught to eat all damn day, and encouraged to snack on more garbage. 

Next, eliminate smoking and excessive alcohol consumption.  Anything that compromises the free flow of a non toxic blood stream will be an enemy to a mans prostate and sexual health.   Thats right.   A lot of us men are walking around with ED for a variety of reasons.  Much of it is actually more mental than physical.   Routine sex with an uninspiring partner,  or busting a lot of nuts in ones life time can lead to a man not being able to perform.   

It's funny,  too much alcohol consumption for most men leads to not being able to perform, whereas there are some men that are the exact opposite.   Some alcohol consumption gets them in the mood and ready.   

It's no doubt, some men just need to change their sexual partner, and thats enough to inspire a nice stiff erection without any sex drugs.  Some men need to be stimulated sufficiently, to get them in the mood to perform.  When dealing with hoes, that doesnt always happen.   Hoes can be very uninspiring to some men, in spite of them looking sexy as hell. 

Getting back to the Prostate.   The major problem for enough men,  is that we are major targets for the traditional medical field when it comes to how they will proceed to "HELP" us with our symptoms.   Once they get those tests going, it's almost a wrap.   When it comes to men, there is always an undercurrent of guilt and shame to go around when it comes to our prostate and sexual health.  Many men are shamed and guilted into allowing doctors free reign over over bodies.   Men shame each other for not getting "checked out".   

Just the testing alone is a million/billion dollar industry.  A general practioner doctor would like nothing more than to refer you to his colleagues that will start the process of helping to destroy your prostate with a very invasive prostate exam ( a biospy ),  taking multiple samples from around your prostate so they can supposedly determine whether or not you have cancer or some other problem.    The money made from that testing probably is in the high millions or even billions. 

But many men consent to this type of testing on the regular.  The sad thing is,  many men have been bamboozled into believing they had prostate cancer, or that their prostate needed to be partially or completely removed.   Once you become a prostate patient,  they got you for life.   They can do or say anything they want, and you'll accept it.   

The difficulty urinating and the doctor telling a man his PSA is elevated is enough information to convince many of patients that the doctor knows what hes doing.   And they faithfully accept any recommendation because they are afraid to die.   Same with HBP or Statin drug patients.   Take these meds or you'll die.    They heard or had somebody they know or a family member that supposedly died of prostate cancer.    So obviously,  they dont want that to happen to them.

You can bet that a certain % of men, their only problem was that their prostate got enlarged over the years, but they dont have prostate cancer in the least.  If they do what it takes to reverse it, the prostate and many other ailments they may have will be eliminated along with the reduction in size of the prostate.  Which may help reduce potential bladder or kidney issues or malfunction.   

In other words a whole host of other health issues may go away or fade away just from addressing the causes.   And BTW,  there are many herbs and foods that can/may help the prostate.  But 1st things 1st.   One has to be proactive in eliminating whats causing the problem.   One herbal tip is the use of Saw Palmetto for the prostate.   I dont recommend starting off addressing an enlarged prostate with taking drugs and/or going for biopsies.     




« Last Edit: July 19, 2021, 08:03:52 AM by murano2010 »
Where you stand on the issue depends on where you sit.  The words enough, some, many , to whom it applies to, does not mean ALL of any people, places or things.  If you cant, dont or wont learn from friends, family or your peers, dont worry the locals will teach you, and you will learn the hard way.

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« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2021, 07:50:32 AM »
A small sample of video resources for Prostate Information/Health

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq3X27c1bTc
Prostate Health

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLOPA3OyTBw
Constant Urge to Pee? Here's Why...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSDEet7hdc8
How to Treat An Enlarged Prostate (Benign Prostatic Hyperplasia): 12 Natural Treatments

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-u-fzwOd4Gk
High PSA (Prostate Specific Antigen) is Not a Diagnosis for Prostate Cancer - Dr.Berg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJa71o1mk0M
Prostate Health: Your Diet Matters? (BPH-2021)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5l7gXDbkx4
DIY- How to shrink enlarged prostate & improve frequent / incomplete urination naturally

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLdwME0ED9Y
Medications to Avoid with Enlarged Prostate | Reduce Symptoms and Risk of Prostate Enlargement


« Last Edit: July 19, 2021, 09:11:16 AM by murano2010 »
Where you stand on the issue depends on where you sit.  The words enough, some, many , to whom it applies to, does not mean ALL of any people, places or things.  If you cant, dont or wont learn from friends, family or your peers, dont worry the locals will teach you, and you will learn the hard way.

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« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2021, 09:08:33 AM »
All good stuff. You are preaching to the choir. Most of us older Mongers exercise, eat right, don’t smoke, drink or use drugs and don’t even take prescription medicine. It’s all about lifestyle.

Unfortunately, some of the younger mongers are offended when these subjects come up.

The VA provides two free physicals a year. The lab work is extensive. Internal medicine doctors order more extensive lab work than general practitioners. Regular monitoring of lab work avoids prescription medicine. It has motivated me to lose weight, change diet or in the case of a vitamin D deficit, spend more time outdoors.


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« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2021, 09:21:53 AM »
All good stuff. You are preaching to the choir. Most of us older Mongers exercise, eat right, don’t smoke, drink or use drugs and don’t even take prescription medicine. It’s all about lifestyle.

Unfortunately, some of the younger mongers are offended when these subjects come up.

The VA provides two free physicals a year. The lab work is extensive. Internal medicine doctors order more extensive lab work than general practitioners. Regular monitoring of lab work avoids prescription medicine. It has motivated me to lose weight, change diet or in the case of a vitamin D deficit, spend more time outdoors.
Well not really trying to preach.  I believe there are others who are into alternative approaches to managing one's health.   I go by the saying.   A word to the wise is sufficient.   Whats shared is for the esoteric few.    And I try to never underestimate who is present within an audience/group.   Some folks are passive observers,  some are active participants, who may also want to share their thoughts, knowledge, success stories and perspectives.   I welcome all, or none.   I can also free flow quite well without input.     
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« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2021, 10:13:53 AM »
Interesting observations indeed and makes you think 🤔. I wonder if any of the resident "medical staff" on this site have an opinion about this or are they just sent by the government/big pharma to discuss covid vaccinations. Is it about the numbers/dollars or do they care about the patient....

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« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2021, 10:37:05 AM »
My own anecdotal experience with doctors.

I'm probably in my mid to late 40's.  Got in the habit of getting routine physicals.  And for each visit, two things are highlighted by the doctor that he considers health issues that I need address.  One is elevated blood pressure, and the other is elevated cholesterol.   Blood sugar levels has never been an issue.   In my mid 40's I'm still very physically active.    I'm playing basketball, and tennis pretty regularly.

But, my diet sucks.  The few positive things I can say about my habits.   I dont consume pork ( at least not knowingly ) although sometimes much of what we eat is made with it.   I never smoked cigarettes.  And my alcohol consumption was moderate.   

But my general food intake was high amounts of processed food.  And I am/was addicted to sugar.   Sugar in food, sugar in beverages.  Although I drank water for thirst occasionally, like a lot of people I religiously drank sweet beverages.  Especially with my meals instead of water, or better yet I should have been drinking no liquid at all, until much later.   

My doctors over the years all had one thing in mind when it came to addressing my HBP or my HC ( high cholesterol ),  to prescribe medications.   I was "told" the drugs were harmless.   That I would be put on a few mgs of BP meds, and then after awhile we would retest and see what happens.   In other words,  the doctors made it seem that the medication would be a temporary thing that would get my BP numbers in check.   I guess I was supposed to believe once that happened I wouldnt need to take BP meds anymore.

However that was a false belief.  I was being mislead.  The intent of the doctor was to get me successfully on BP meds,  so that I would stay on it, and become dependent on them.   The same thing with statins.   At the time Lipitor was the most popular brand out for HC.   And again, I was given the impression that the Lipitor was safe and effective, and it would help me get my "numbers" down to the "recommended levels.   Over the years,  the goal post on what ones numbers should be kept being moved.   Why?   So that more statin drugs could be prescribed.   

A long time ago, it was ok medically to have a number as high as 300.  But at that number that meant less statin drugs being prescribed.  So the medical field lowered the acceptable level for what ones Cholesterol numbers should be.   And they did that several times over the years.   Their desired number is so low now, that just about anybody can "qualify" for a statin prescription.   

Since I was young I in spite of my indulgences and vices,  I had always had a passion for natural health, and alternative remedies and healing.   When focused,  I had the discipline to take complete control of whatever I did to compromise my health and well being.   When i got sick and tired of how I felt or how I looked and felt,  I did the research and went about doing something about it. 

Due to my passion to turn to natural healing or more practical alternatives,  I focused on what I already knew was the leading cause for my elevated BP and elevated cholesterol.  DIET.   More specifically, major sugar consumption.  And complications due to chronic insulin resistance.   Way before I got into fasting ( or intermittent fasting ) the 1st thing I did was cut out all forms of obvious sugar intake.   The desserts, the sugary beverages ( including juices ), breads. pastas.   You name it.   Anything that would cause an instant spike my insulin levels.    I knew about fasting, and had done it.   But I didnt come back to that until perhaps 4 yrs ago.

But back in my 40's and dealing with HBP and HC,  I cut out all obvious forms of sugar and foods that were highly glycemic.   Back then I also was aware of Apple Cidar Vinegar ( ACV ).   At the time I was using it primary for weight control but found out that it had other benefits as well.   So the conscious choice to reduce my sugar intake, using the ACV concoction, changing other dietary habits, continuing to exercise........I lost the extra weight, my blood pressure went way down, and my HC dropped. 

The interesting thing about my cholesterol numbers,  is that on average it was always way higher than the new recommendations.  But if I were to go by the recommendations that were out more than a decade ago,  I was considered within normal range.   But now,  Im supposed to believe that I was at risk of having a stroke and a heart attack.

I dont know how I got past all of those commercials about statin drugs and them showing examples of arteries narrowing or closing due to cholesterol supposedly being the culprit.  Masterful way of using fearmongering tactics to scare people into asking and demanding their doctors prescribe a statin.   Doctors happy with glee,  even offered samples to their patients just to get them started on taking statins.   To me thats diabolical.    I came to the understanding that patients were actually told, that once they got on a statin that it was dangerous and even life-threatening to just stop taking it.   That is/was their drug for life.

Well, I didnt fall for any of that.   I refused to go on statins and i refused BP meds.   I got my BP and HC down on my own.   Found out something else.   My bad diet and high sugar consumption, which triggered my chronic high insulin, that is what caused an inflammatory response in my body.   And the high cholesterol was my liver at work producing the cholesterol to address wherever the inflammation was.   In my arteries, in my blood, muscles, organs etc.   

My body was helping me by producing the C,  not trying to kill me,  like the doctors lead me to believe.   The statins are designed to make the liver produce less cholesterol, but it doesnt address the inflammation in the body that the C is trying to address.   So to some degree, taking statin drugs is actually extremely counter productive to what the body is trying to do to protect and heal itself.   

Once I got off the sugar, worked on my high insulin response,  my overall health improved.  Other positive changes were observed.  Like less stiffness throughout the body, better mental clarity.  An increased sense of well being.   When i went back to my doctor for routine physicals,  all of my numbers were within their guidelines except for the C.   But I learned that high C numbers is not a death sentence or an indication that a stroke or a heart attack was imminent.     I also told my doctor about what I was doing.  His response showed he was unimpressed.   Appeared to be more disappointed that I didnt take his advice awhile back and get the prescriptions filled for HBP and Lipitor.

In 2018 ,  I got a recommendation from a buddy of a female doctor in Florida.   I was amazed with her, because I have not been around many doctors that didnt try to make drugs the 1st priority and course of action.   She had a white board in one of her offices.   All over her white board , her main priority was focused on the diet.   What was different about her,  she didnt just gloss over the importance of diet like some doctors. 

Like the doctors who will say, you need a balanced diet, proper exercise and rest.    On a typical food pyramid,  you will see dairy products, bread and grains as staples that one should consume.   But not her.  She knew that those things were not good for optimal health.  And especially the dairy products as far as men are concerned.   Never had a doctor like her before. 

No this lady was completely serious about diet and lifestyle.  Found out that she was a vegan.  She looked like a doctor should look.  Healthier than her patients.   I wish I would have had her as my PCP when I was working.   She would have contributed to me being more motivated from deviating towards those bad dietary and lifestyle habits.
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« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2021, 10:47:07 AM »
A word of caution here, though. Of course, some alternative methods to improved health DO work, but there are also a lot that don’t.

Herbal methods can be very good at masking and/or minimizing SYMPTOMS of an ailment while failing to tackle the source of the ailment itself.

If you go to see a doctor and/or you have any scheduled tests, let your doctor know what you’re taking at home, especially when it comes to herbal therapies. It can screw with the accuracy of assessments.



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« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2021, 10:48:24 AM »
Interesting observations indeed and makes you think 🤔. I wonder if any of the resident "medical staff" on this site have an opinion about this or are they just sent by the government/big pharma to discuss covid vaccinations. Is it about the numbers/dollars or do they care about the patient....
Good question.   
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« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2021, 11:10:57 AM »
A word of caution here, though. Of course, some alternative methods to improved health DO work, but there are also a lot that don’t.

Herbal methods can be very good at masking and/or minimizing SYMPTOMS of an ailment while failing to tackle the source of the ailment itself.


If you go to see a doctor and/or you have any scheduled tests, let your doctor know what you’re taking at home, especially when it comes to herbal therapies. It can screw with the accuracy of assessments.
Point taken.  I will add though,  what you said highlighted in red also applies to those taking vaccines. 

Let me rewrite so you see what I mean. 

A word of caution here, though. Of course, some vaccine use to improve health DO work to do something, but there are also a lot that don’t.

Vaccines can be very good at masking and/or minimizing SYMPTOMS of an ailment/virus while failing to tackle the source of the ailment itself.  And also fail in not being able to exempt someone from acquiring a virus or from spreading a virus.


The truism you brought out, is that there is no guarantee that alternative means will cure a person.   And I agree with that wholeheartedly.    As an example of that.  Even though I am big on alternative and natural remedies.   I am not opposed to the idea of considering Ivermectin to treat Covid 19.     The consensus is that the vaccines are the only way to deal with the virus.   If I'm going to take anything on an emergency basis,  I'd rather give Ivermectin a try before taking a vaccine.   At least with Ivermectin, it's job is supposed to be able to kick the virus's ass and help an individual recover much faster.

So here's the $64,000 question.  Why isnt this drug not readily available without a prescription to people to take a chance on in the US?   Nobody needs a prescription in order to be jabbed.   Why cant people take Ivermectin on an emergency basis?  Ivermectin has one up on the vaccine program.  It's a drug that has been in existence for many years.  It has a favorable use history, and it's FDA approved ( although that aint no big deal these days).   It's used around the world successfully in dealing with Covid patients.

I can walk into any pharmacy here in the DR and buy it over the counter.  It's cheap too.  It's like buying flu meds,  but without the hassle of going to a doctor to get a prescription.

But your point was clear.  Everything natural is not always best.  Thing is though,  people should have a choice.  One last thing.  "THE POISON IS IN THE DOSE"  claimed by Jennifer Daniels, A Dr who resurrected the information on the benefits of using 100% Gum Spirits of Turpentine for curing and healing.   

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« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2021, 12:39:32 PM »
Great Convo! 

Thank you! 

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« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2021, 07:19:35 PM »
Great Convo! 

Thank you!
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« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2021, 09:09:39 PM »
big pharmaceutical follow the money, Mr T is correct  scamdemic !

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« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2021, 07:42:41 AM »
https://takemebacktososua.com/index.php?topic=14120.msg262862#msg262862

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aAk36PovnU
Check this video out, before it disappears.  It's dated 4/2021, but it's already got almost 2,000,000 views.   

Woman Paralyzed after 2nd COVID shot

The comment section alone is educational and worth reading.  Almost 15k comments.  Probably comprised mostly of intelligent, unbrainwashed,woke individuals. 

Top Comments :

-Vaccine manufacturer said, "it was UNRELATED to the vaccine". Of course this is expected. Denial, Denial and more Denial

-Why would you get these injections if you've already had CoVID?

-I have heard a lot of people say, "I've already had covid" Then why get the shot? Hasn't anyone ever heard of natural immunity?

-I'm paralyzed but I'm not saying don't get a vaccine Covid is real 🤦‍♀️ brainwashed people are on another level

-I've had flu shots and as a paramedic had heptavax with no problems but this one is on hold for now. If someone is injured/dies after taking the vaccine they always say it was from "underlying problems". If someone with underlying problems gets sick/dies and happens to test positive for covid, they say it was from covid... just amazing.

-I see stories like this every day now, on local news channels in different states. Weird thing is, you never see em on msm.
Then when you try to tell people about them they call you a liar.


-People need to think about the long term effects further on in the future.

-The money gained by these drug companies look good. Any adverse reactions by these experimental drugs are considered "rare",  No need to panic, they say. Oh well, they can keep fooling people to take their drugs, but I will not take them.

-"We reached out to Pfizer and Pfizer said they are closely monitoring side affects..."  !!!!
Uh... I would NOT call PARALYSIS a SIDE AFFECT. I'd say that that was a pretty damning condition. Oh! And I just LOVE how Pfizer has the audacity to say that these 'adverse events' that happen AFTER THE VACCINE have nothing to do with the vaccine. That is just SO REASSURING!
I wouldn't TOUCH THE VACCINE from ANY company.
I also think people are insanely naive to be getting it. But that's me.

-Like I said, you can always take off a mask if you get uncomfortable but you cannot remove unknown chemicals within your body.

-I have a work colleague who’s husband had Covid and did get vaccinated and he had the worst side effects. His whole body is fighting at the moment. I think they should do anti-body test to see if ppl are immune when they had Covid and then not give them the vaccine because if immunity is already established as it seems it leads to these adverse reaction in many ppl. I am so sorry. Wishing the best for your recovery. Thank you for speaking out!..............Like I said before, there should not be a one size fits all approach to vaccinations.  Some people absolutely should not be taking experimental synthetic drugs  ( Murano )

-I had both~ after the first one I felt some real sickness, but after the second one, I have been soooo sick with side effects...I am just now, in the past few days, feeling better at all. I thought I was dying before!

-People have been so brainwashed that even after being paralysed they still believe that’s something is wrong with them and not the vaccine!

« Last Edit: July 24, 2021, 07:45:01 AM by murano2010 »
Where you stand on the issue depends on where you sit.  The words enough, some, many , to whom it applies to, does not mean ALL of any people, places or things.  If you cant, dont or wont learn from friends, family or your peers, dont worry the locals will teach you, and you will learn the hard way.

 

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